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Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
Meanwhile, a bit of practical spirituality.

The New York Times is carrying an article today titled Gray Matter: the Morality of Meditation.

Here are some excerpts.

MEDITATION is fast becoming a fashionable tool for improving your mind. With mounting scientific evidence that the practice can enhance creativity, memory and scores on standardized intelligence tests, interest in its practical benefits is growing.


Buddha himself said, “I teach one thing and one only: that is, suffering and the end of suffering.” For Buddha, as for many modern spiritual leaders, the goal of meditation was as simple as that. The heightened control of the mind that meditation offers was supposed to help its practitioners see the world in a new and more compassionate way, allowing them to break free from the categorizations (us/them, self/other) that commonly divide people from one another.
But does meditation work as promised? Is its originally intended effect — the reduction of suffering — empirically demonstrable?

and the conclusion:

......even relatively brief training in meditative techniques can alter neural functioning in brain areas associated with empathic understanding of others’ distress — areas whose responsiveness is also modulated by a person’s degree of felt associations with others.

Supporting this view, recent findings by the neuroscientists Helen Weng, Richard Davidson and colleagues confirm that even relatively brief training in meditative techniques can alter neural functioning in brain areas associated with empathic understanding of others’ distress — areas whose responsiveness is also modulated by a person’s degree of felt associations with others.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/opinion/sunday/the-morality-of-meditation.html?hp
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
JL, if you still read this thread you might find a more receptive group at:

Philosophy of Emptyness

Some interesting topics on that general site.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
He Is Risen Indeed
http://www.ligonier.org/rym/broadcasts/audio/he-risen-indeed/

Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson are camping and...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
listen for the answer
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 6, 2013 - 06:23am PT
you might find a more receptive group

What would be the fun in that?

DMT
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 6, 2013 - 07:33am PT
Science, science, science...
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jul 6, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 6, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Dr. F with all due respect, read the quote literally:

if He said He created the universe in six (6) days six (6) thousand years ago, then HE did.

This is no statement of belief. This is a carefully worded artful dodge.

Why?

BECAUSE NO ONE BELIEVES THE WORLD IS 6,000 YEARS OLD.

NO ONE. If they say they do, they are lying. Its not a 'belief', its a lie. A bald face lie.

He won't say it because he knows its a lie. So he puts it off on his god, lol lol lol. So that makes his god a liar.

DMT
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jul 6, 2013 - 04:25pm PT



 You all need to hear this and pay attention to it, understand it
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 6, 2013 - 08:28pm PT

DMT, you're correct in the bigger picture

it's all about believing the lies
if you can choke down a lie and make yourself believe it, you are that much closer to God according to their prehistoric religious dogma

Since when are you guys authority's on what the bible says?
Weren't you excommunicated out of the catholic church?
Then I can understand ur hate towards believers. But Christs followers
are not like those of a silly man made religion such as catholic. That's why there's
soo many "X" Catholics around here.

If your earnest read it for yourselves. NO WHERE does the bible say, or attempt
to say the earth is six thousand yrs old. If it does show me! In the beginning God said He worked one day and stopped. And said that's good. Then came back and worked another
day. And said thatis good. And so forth. The premise here is that He did an amount of work
and stopped. Then came back and did some more.
His reference to "a day to Him is like a thousand years to us and visa-versa" was only to show us He has no oblige to time. It's only man trying to figure out when He did His work and how old the earth is does this stuff get misconstrued. Here's a news flash. NOBODY knows forsure
so we're ALL liars if you say you do.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jul 6, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
OK. It is three ten minute videos, but here is Carl Sagan's last interview, where he explains science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jod7v-m573k
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jul 6, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
The problem is with biblical literalists who believe that the bible was dictated by the creator of the universe using an unerring stenographer"

--Sagan
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 6, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
Jingy,
The only thing to "understand" from that vid is that it was filmed in Berkeley,
and that guy is a "wanker"

He obliviously believes he has the RIGHT to be alive by way of evolution. And in the last 100,000 yrs man was just fine. Until 2000 yrs ago when Jesus came into the scene. Now with people believing in the bible, he can't be all he wants to be. So he just fell back on preaching hate against the bible. When he should've just joined the Marines.

Thanks for the video though, it shows me where ur opinion comes from..
jstan

climber
Jul 6, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpjwotips7E

Feynman on consciousness. Halfway in.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 6, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Thanks Jstan that was handsomely entertaining!

I guess my problem is my favorite sandwich has Mortadella in it.
Baloney with alot of fat in it. Maybe I'll go back to Liverwurst
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Jul 7, 2013 - 05:42am PT
Jesus will be there in the room!

I'll let you be the judge, but it sounds like candy land fairy tales to me, and impossible by any means the universe can function.


Dr. F. I don't know why God chooses to see Christ's righteousness instead of our unrighteousness when we believe on Jesus! But that's what the bible teaches, and if it works for God it works for me, and I'm glad He does! But I know it is because God loves us and wants to forgive us, if we just ask Him to!
MH2

climber
Jul 7, 2013 - 07:05am PT
Hurray for that clip. It gives the same impression of Feynman I get from books written by and about him. An amateur helium physicist. Ha. Susskind gets close to a description of thinking, too, the kind of thinking which gets you a good new idea.

Consciousness? My math consultant is sticking with saying it is a pony. It may also be a speed bump.
specialistclimber

climber
Jul 7, 2013 - 07:14am PT
Over the years past high school i read some qualified authority
documents about carbon dating which of course were not published by
Jehovah's Witnesses and other attack oriented creationist using
unqualified authority references.

It appeared that the authorities did not make claims of accuracy over the
10,000's of years and in the 70's and 80's while still developing
the science the inacuracies made by the authorities "testing
matters that are able to be tested" were under dated. Another words the
inaccurate over dating claims outside of the science community came
from religous groups and others outside of the sciences.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 7, 2013 - 07:34am PT

Since when are you guys authority's on what the bible says?

I don't care what the bible says.

I just know this - if someone says they think the world is 6,000 years old that person is lying.

DMT
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 7, 2013 - 07:50am PT
and if it works for God it works for me,
go-be

this is where your problem lies

We don't know if it works for god or not, just because the bible says something to that effect doesn't mean that it is the last word on the subject.

The bible is not the word of God, fact, ask the Pope
Science has proven that is was mostly written after Jesus died, by normal men, then changed 100s of times, it's a story of myths, nothing more.
Jesus has been turned into a myth, he isn't real, except in your mind, just like Santa.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jul 7, 2013 - 08:00am PT
Speaking of what's real or not, I watched jstan's video of Leonard Susskind on Richard Feynman and then I decided to look up Susskind. Among other articles, I came across one about him and his theories of cosmology on a Scientific American website. The title was The Bad Boy of Physics.

Following the brief synopsis of his theories, was a very interesting discussion, more philosophy than physics, and so criticized as are Susskind's theories, for lack of observable, measurable evidence. Many issues brought up on this thread were mentioned in the comments though one had the impression that it was physicists more than philosophers raising them. Definitely a thought provoker.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=bad-boy-of-physics
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