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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 3, 2013 - 12:33pm PT


Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, when Gallup first asked the question.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold-Creationist-View-Human-Origins.aspx
specialistclimber

climber
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
my wife cut me off of my $150 per month music habit.

Did/does she have a $300.00 per month phone habit?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jul 3, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, when Gallup first asked the question.

To have this belief, you must never look down at the ground. Never reading a book helps as well. You can prove your ignorance by showing your voter ID card as Republican.

-An elitist
WBraun

climber
Jul 4, 2013 - 07:56am PT
We wear clothes, and speak, and create civilizations, and believe we are more than wolves.

But inside us there is a word we cannot pronounce and that is who we are.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 4, 2013 - 08:24am PT
Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years.

They're lying. No one with more than an 8th grade education believes that sh#t... NO ONE.

Lying their way into heaven.

Not one person believes that 10,000 year creation sh#t.

DMT
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Jul 4, 2013 - 08:54am PT


Well I finally went to my Traffic Court Trial date yesterday!

It all started about eight months ago last November, when I was told I missed the local med van because I was off that day, and had to go down town to another site. I had a ton of stuff to do and didn't need this on my plate as well, so I determined to get there and back ASAP. I got there with no problems, but on the way back I caught out of my right eye a C.H.P. Officer standing in a hiding spot as I passed him, as he was outside his vehicle with his radar gun (on stun) and beginning to jump back in it! I admit I was going as fast as Jimi Hendrix in Cross Town Traffic plus two MPH! As you can guess he pulled me over, had me sign the ticket and said that his gun clocked me going two miles over the allowable limit to go to traffic school!

I waited to pay online, and sure enough there was no provision to request Traffic School. So I decided to pay the ticket at the court house and see if that would make a difference. The line to pay was out the door and down the hall a ways to boot, and being at around lunch time there were just two people working the windows! Having already long ago picked all the lint out of my navel I finally got to the window, no surprise, no traffic school! Either pay the ticket or go before the Judge! What's to loose, I'll see the Judge, I said, then she gave me a court date of six months later.

I took two hours off of work and drove in to the court house parking lot and got through the security check and was at the court room doors by 1:30 PM as stated on the Notice to Appear.
The Court Officer, went through the motions, then stated that there is no guilty with an explanation plea, either say you are guilty and pay your fine or say not guilty, and get a future court trial date, nothing else! When it was my turn I said not guilty, wishing to tell the Judge that I was guilty and wanted to request traffic school but now had to wait until the trial date. While standing in line to get my trial date people were saying that the Judge can give you traffic school even if you are not eligible if he wants to? But that it has been known to happen that after you have completed traffic school and return the paper work back to the court, the clerk processing it can see that you were not originally able to go and not accept it and the points will still be on your record, geesh not sounding good! When I got to the window I said, I needed a trial date before August and was given July 3rd.

As the day came I though my only hope was that the C.H.P. Officer didn't show up and my case would be dropped! So I prayed that he wouldn't make it to court that day, because he would be on vacation or having a good time somewhere not wishing bad on him!

I took another two hours off work, and was back pulling into the court parking lot as someone was talking to the guy there so I went around them and parked. This lady comes over to me and says that will be five dollars to park, I said when did this start happening the last two times I was here parking was free, she said just this last Monday! Again back through security and down to the court room at 1:30 pm. As I entered, I saw the place where several the ticketing officers were sitting ready for their trials, and could not tell if mine was there? The Court Officer, went through the motions again, then read a list of names and mine was one of them and said our cases are dismissed, the officer was not in the court room, and told us to wait for now! Well I did a little dance in my chair! Then he read another list of names and asked how they plead, guilty or not guilty for a last chance to go to traffic school and pay the fine or go to trial before the Judge and either win or loose because their officers were there in the court room? Then the Judge read our names again then said we could leave the court! As I walked out I said Thank You Jesus!

Well I tell you this to say that at the Last Judgement we are all sinners and when before the Throne of God, Jesus will be (THERE) in the room so we will have to go to trial and our only hope is to be under the grace of God by the Blood of Christ before we get there!


John 5:22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2013 - 08:59am PT
Well I tell you this to say that at the Last Judgement we are all sinners and when before the Throne of God, Jesus will be in the room so we will have to go to trial and our only hope is to be under the grace of God by the Blood of Christ before we get there!

What percentage of Americans believe this?

Jesus will be there in the room!

I'll let you be the judge, but it sounds like candy land fairy tales to me, and impossible by any means the universe can function.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 4, 2013 - 10:17am PT
So words matter... and not just on this thread or in belief (where religions really make a mess of it) but in politics, too. So, take heart, we're not alone.

Was Morsi’s ouster a ‘coup d’état’?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/was-morsis-ouster-a-coup-detat-or-not/article12974954/

Speaking of words, you might have noticed Germans don't make as much use of the F-word as English speakers...

http://obscenedesserts.blogspot.de/2013/07/foul-language.html

Shi't.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 4, 2013 - 10:20am PT
Not one person believes that 10,000 year creation sh#t.

DMT

really?

so gallup polling has it wrong and only you know the truth?

why don't you ask Gobee how old the earth is?

I did, three times, he won't answer and you know the reason why
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 4, 2013 - 10:24am PT
Yes because gobee doesn't want to lie.

Anyone who claims they believe the earth is 10k years old is lying out their piehole. They can lie to gallup, their preacher man, their flock, to their particular god, whatever. But they are lying.

NO ONE believes that sh#t. No one.

DMT
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 4, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
when God created Adam, do you think He had to wait around 20-30 years for him develope into a man? NO, He formed him into a fully developed, living, breathing, human being. when He created the universe, do you think He had to wait for the light of the stars that He created trillions of light years away to reach the earth? NO. when He created the earth and the sun, moon and the stars, our galaxy, did He have to wait for it also? answer NO! did He have to wait for anything? NO!

you guys will press on, cling to your delusions of the material worlds development, but you know nothing of the spiritual realm. whatever i, or anyone else with knowledge of God says, will be cast off as ignorance. but, you are BLIND, and it is of your own choice.

i have known this GOD, since i was 8 years old. He is limitless in power. and, He is ALIVE. but you have rejected Him and His desire to reveal Himself to you and you have fully bought the serpents lie.

you think that it is simply people adhering to something they decided they would follow because their parents and everyone else does it every sunday. WRONG. it is a personal relationship. He is as real as the sun, moon, stars and the billions of galaxies that He created. NOTHING is impossible with Him. if He said He created the universe in six (6) days six (6) thousand years ago, then HE did.

He has proven/shown me His presence, His power and His will over and over again in my life. He speaks, it happens. PERIOD. He said that He created the universe in six days, and that he rested on the seventh. So be it. I know Him. you don't. but, you refuse to. you have fallen for a lie. so sad, Satan is alive and well. Eve took a bite of the fruit because he said she would be like God. you are following in her & Adams footsteps...lock, stock and barrel.

don't you think that if God exists, came here to this planet and died on our behalf, then rose again from the grave and appeared to hundreds of people, that He wouldn't continue to do so among His people, even to this very day?

i am just a dirtbag, which is fairly apparent from all the stupid sh#t i say on this forum. but, for some reason He has chosen to show me things that are not of this world. you guys are in for a very rude awakening some day. you will meet your Maker...face to face.

like i have said, in the spirit there is no limit to bliss or pain/torment. i have experienced both. when i told you about how i had opened the Bible and had randomly stuck my finger onto a page and it (my finger nail) was directly under the verse, "You shall surely die." and then, closed it and randomly opened it to the OT section (didn't want to go anywhere near that verse again) and i stuck my finger somewhere on a page and my fingernail was directly under & touching the verse, "You shall surely die.", that it was pure coincidence? NO! it was an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God dealing and revealing something to one of His servants.

i was on my friggin death bed at 36 years old. i did not want to die. He had just shown me hell three (3) times. why? i don't have the time, nor the space on this forum to tell you what led up to it. but, the very first thing i did for 18 long months (probably longer, but i recall realizing that one night) when i got down on my knees and prayed for all the people/souls that i had met on the streets of LA/Hollyweird and elsewhere, many only 12-13 years old and surviving anyway they could (but people of all ages), the first prayer out of my mouth was, "Please Lord, please don't let hell be that bad for the lost." I pleaded with Him from the depths of my soul.

WHY, because what He showed me was infinitely worse than anything i had suffered on this earth. and i have suffered, believe me. you may recall me telling about, on another thread, how i had my two front teeth drilled through, straight up through the nerve root to the gum/jaw bone with zero pain meds, not even an aspirin or novicaine.

i lay there on my bed and narrowed it all the way down to nine (9) seconds. that i would rather experience that horrid experience of having my teeth drilled through all over again. and then going home with a surgical tube sewn into place and laying curled up on the couch for three days and nights in horrible pain, before my aunt showed up and gave me a pill that put finally knocked me out, put me too sleep. rather than simply go through 9 seconds of what i had been shown. long story short, God said, "So you wanna win souls, eh?" Then I'll show you WHY."

well, the night He showed me hell, i asked Him, who God, who could tolerate that for one second, let alone eternity?" i asked Him that question over and over for 18 long months and, like i said, got down on my knees every night and prayed, "Please God, don't let hell be that bad for the lost." and waited patiently for an answer. waited 3-4-5 minutes there on my knees. but none ever came. i new that He could answer me if He so desired, but He didn't. so, after waiting with no answer, i went on and prayed for the people and kids i had recently met (i was part of a street ministry) and then my own friends and family.

you people are totally clueless. cling to your delusions that all there is, is what you can see, feel and touch, that there is no GOD. enjoy it while you can, because your time here is short, very short, compared to eternity!

do you think we hate you? we are only human and can be offended and strike back in a bitter way, but it is not hate that drives us, it is love. God showed me exactly how much He loves the lost once ( told that story on a thread once, but deleted it). i thought it was gonna be like how i envisioned a Mother Teresa kind of love. a loving, hugging God. NO, it was a grieving love. like a mother that had lost her only child kind of love. but a billion or more times over. all i could say, cry out was, "I HURT." what i was saying was, "i can't stand this for another second, please Lord, let it stop." something that you could only experience and tolerate in the spirit. but it was real, very real.

why, because He wanted to reveal something about Himself to me. probably was never meant to share with anyone else. perhaps with believers, but not with the world. He has shown me many things, and they can be very burdensome, at times. why, well first of all, because He created you and loves you, formed you in your mothers womb. has great plans for you, not only in this life, but into eternity. but, He won't force Himself on you, He has given you a choice, just like He gave Adam & Eve. just like He gave Lucifer and all of the angels. but Lucifer decided that he wanted to be worshiped like God. and he said that so would anyone else who had the choice, starting with Adam & Eve!

you know the story, but consider it bogus. so be it! carry on, but your nothing but fools (just like A&E) who are being fooled. why do you think one of his names is the Great Deceiver? total deception. you think he ain't real? take a look at the world and all of its lust for power, fortune and fame. take a look at science who says there is no God, look at all we have discovered, all we have created. so pitiful, but, so be it...
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Jul 4, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Nice gentle story, go-b.

Your faith sustains you.


;>)
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
DMT, you're wrong
listen to splitter
He said that He created the universe in six days, and that he rested on the seventh. So be it. I know Him. you don't.

he knows god. you don't
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 4, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
Dr F, he's lying.

DMT
james Colborn

Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
Jul 4, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
Splitter,

You are Creepy. In a fire and brimstone burn at the stake type of way.
MH2

climber
Jul 4, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
It was good to read your story, go-B. You are a good person.

I once got a ticket I thought was unjustified. Time went by and I got a notice to appear in court. I noticed that the date could be modified unobtrusively. I appeared on the date shown on my summons but for some reason the officer was not there, so the case was dismissed.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 4, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
I thought this was going to be the worst page written since the declaration of independence.

Until I red Splitters post! I am in awe at how god can be the most ultra minimalist at showing us our experience. Yet the spiritual vision is overwelming.

I think what god shows us in the dark, we should bring to the light.

And what He tells us in our ear, we should yell from the rooftop.

Happy Independance Day!

(for 5 more minutes, then we're back to being owned by the government)
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 5, 2013 - 08:40am PT
DMT, you're correct in the bigger picture

it's all about believing the lies
if you can choke down a lie and make yourself believe it, you are that much closer to God according to their prehistoric religious dogma

Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
The complexity of a simple language
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
I get it

I can't stand it

but I get it
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