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Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 11, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
having nothing but your own experice to bast this on

NO, I bast it on a thorough research into the history and writings of 1000s of different people, books, studies, and science
plus my own experiences that I bast
I have bast this my entire life, I didn't just bast this yesterday, like you assume, wrongly
MH2

climber
Jun 11, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
NOW. Infinitely NOW. That is all you and every other entity in the Universe has and is. NOW.


You were never a kid?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
I am still a kid. That is the beauty of NOW. You NEVER grow old nor are you ever young. You just wake up each day and have at it. Just as you did when you were a kid. At least I do, have and more so focus on this day. It is all I have ever had. Today. Same as it ever was. Always.

I will add that I have the option to change my behavior in order to get back on track. Amazingly, the Universe puts things in my path to motivate me to do so when it deems it necessary. It is my choice to accept those points and readjust my sails accordingly.
MH2

climber
Jun 11, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
^^^ With you all the way.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 11, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
Are you saying that the Gays caused the tornados in the Midwest, that the end times are here, and Jesus is coming back.. etc..

because if you can't agree with every thing that these people claim, then you are in the same boat as me, and it's mostly delusion that these people are peddling
--
no
JL

and science is not my god
I have no god, period
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
Is that directed to me Craig^^^^^.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Jun 11, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
oy vey iz mir!
MH2

climber
Jun 11, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
A kid who was born in 1898.

Orphaned at the age of 2 years.

Fought in WWI and WWII.

Lived to be 102-and-a-half.

No relation of mine, just a guy who ended up in a nursing home still a kid.

Seen here in 1995.


MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Jun 11, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
I've been living in the here and now for the last 35 years and I can tell you that it has no higher connection, nor greater meaning, it's just awareness, mindfulness, openness . . . it has nothing to do with god or anything


I might agree with you. Good articulation.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Lived to be 102-and-a-half.

Oh he'll be back. If he already isn't here. Somewhere.
MH2

climber
Jun 11, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
^^ He's right up there, for a start.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jun 11, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
Since people on this thread like to think about things, here's a good book review from the LA Times. The Summits of Modern Man: Mountaineering After the Enlightenment.
http://lareviewofbooks.org/article.php?type&id=1745&fulltext=1

It deals with a lot of interesting topics including the early history of mountaineering in the Alps, the episode between Sherpas and elite climbers on Everest this spring, and the whole culture created by the enlightenment with its elevation of man.

It seems we are now living in an era referred to as the Anthropozine or the expression I like better, the Anthropozoic.

"whether the Apocalypse comes via Christís return or rising ocean levels, itís the same view of history as inherently eschatological, and inherently anthropocentric. Like the Anthropozoic, the Anthropocene casts human action in the starring role, both as villain and as potential hero and savior"
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
Ed recently gave the example of contemplating a mathematical issue, where one can spend hours not having a little voice in the head or constantly shifting one's attention, but rather standing back, as it were, from the conscious part of the mind and listening for whispers of a new construction built by the sub-conscious.

i think Ed's comment is right at the heart of this discussion


there are many paths up a tall mountain

from the summit is no further path upwards, only a view across the landscape

such is a zero point, landscape is visible, but no spacetime for words

The Silence...





(Largo seems too busy talking to take in the view)
WBraun

climber
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
there are many paths up a tall mountain

Not all lead to the top ......
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
You're right, not all lead to the top but enough of them do that we have a good choice of paths and there's always the possibility to bushwhack your own.
WBraun

climber
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
there are many paths up a tall mountain

many are repelled by the mountain.

many get to the top but remain blind.

The top must still reveal itself for one to get full realization.

It's ultimately up to the top and not you to reveal itself.

This is why so many return and talk like Dr F ......
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
There are summits and false summits.
WBraun

climber
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
There's only ONE real summit ......
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
Credit: TomCochrane
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jun 11, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
There's only ONE real summit ......

and it can be found at any point in the spacetime continuum
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