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MH2

climber
May 26, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
Am I conscious now?




Was I conscious then?





Will I still be conscious...




...toooomorrrrrow?







cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
May 26, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
Scoundrel!

WBraun

climber
May 26, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
"no one had the slightest clue about the way we Westerners would come to view the world*

"No one knows" is the other stupid catch phrase always spouted.

More stupid made up ideas in your heads.

It was already known how "so called modern westerners" will be and understand the world 5000 years ago even 100,000 years ago they knew.

Modern materialistic western men are so arrogant and egotistical they just make up any kind nonsense that grows in their tiny heads and spout as facts.

No wonder the world is falling apart.

It's run by egotistical idiots ......
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
May 26, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
Luke 12:27 Consider the lilies, how they grow: they toil not, neither do they spin; yet I say unto you, Even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
May 26, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
WBraun: So I hear you been talkin us down on some other threads?

Credit: Ward Trotter
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 26, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
they just make up any kind nonsense

As opposed to your vedic nonsense...?
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
May 27, 2013 - 12:26am PT
You'll never get to the core or Zen by tracking where science was 2,500 years ago. Zen has no content. So whatever idea have about it is all your own. The contentless aspect is the timeless bit that attracts a few here and there.

So far as the "am I conscious" question, this helps clarify the huge difference between being vaguely aware, and being consciously mindful. These are not ideas, of shades.

JL
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
May 27, 2013 - 02:29am PT
WBraun
"No one knows" is the other stupid catch phrase always spouted.

More stupid made up ideas in your heads.

It was already known how "so called modern westerners" will be and understand the world 5000 years ago even 100,000 years ago they knew.

Ok. Please explain. Who knew? Who are "they" that knew 100,000 years ago?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 27, 2013 - 07:34am PT
Broke out the OLD Trivial Pursuit last night...

"What was the non-fiction best seller of 1952, 1953, and 1954?"

(hint: it involves a zombie)
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 27, 2013 - 07:37am PT
Graham Greene and something about Haiti?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 27, 2013 - 07:45am PT
they just make up any kind nonsense

As opposed to your vedic nonsense...?

had to look up Vedic:


A Sampurna Yajurveda Samhitha Parayanam was held at Naimisaranyam on May 17 which was planned and organised by Sri Sarma Sastrigal, a priest and author from Chennai. As many as fifteen enlightened Vedic scholars made their way there and chanted the Veda parayanam for universal well-being, under the watchful guidance of Sri Gururama Ghanapadigal – an eminent Vedic scholar.

The purpose of this entire exercise in great faith was Lokah Kshema or universal well-being. Specific portions of the sankalp were also dedicated to the honourable treatment of women and facilitating the evolution of mankind from gross sensual acts to more dharmic motives that benefit humanity.

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
May 27, 2013 - 07:46am PT
Broke out the OLD Trivial Pursuit last night...

"What was the non-fiction best seller of 1952, 1953, and 1954?"

(hint: it involves a zombie)


The Bible


PS - Wait… that's right… That's fiction
MH2

climber
May 27, 2013 - 07:58am PT
Conscious last night,
Conscious the night before,
Gonna be conscious tonight
Like I never was conscious before,
Because when I'm conscious
I'm as mindful as can be...
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 27, 2013 - 08:04am PT
Werner, by the way, I and the other atheists are arguing that we do know, Largo and his co-horts are the only ones saying we don't know anything

So please don't lump us together
WBraun

climber
May 27, 2013 - 08:24am PT
Yes you're right.

You're all peer reviewed rubber stamped mental speculators.

All Phd's in guessing .......
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 27, 2013 - 08:26am PT
Stoopid guru, guessing is only the first part of the process!
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
May 27, 2013 - 08:28am PT
What you are is God's gift to you;
what you do with yourself is your gift to God.
Danish Proverb

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Philippians 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment, 10 that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ, 11 being filled with the fruits of righteousness which are by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 27, 2013 - 08:34am PT
More unanswerable questions when it comes to the after life.

What if you are the world's best human all your life, but just before death you come down with dementia, and go on an evil rampage which changes your personality completely, you hate your wife calling her names, maybe even killed someone! etc.

What then? do you go to hell, or can God with his super computer in space look back to just before you changed and judge you on that status?

What if you were enlightened, and out of the karmic circle, then get Alzheimer's and become a puddle of mud, Then what?


what if you become enlightened on your death bed,
or say you take Jebus as your savior in your mind as a joke 1 second before death?

Life after death is impossible, anyone that thinks about it logically can figure that out.
WBraun

climber
May 27, 2013 - 08:44am PT
More unanswerable questions when it comes to the after life.

Yes the mental speculators with big overloaded brains are always bewildered.

Their cups always overflow.

The "After life".

There's no such thing.

Life is life eternally. There's no before or after.

The PHd guessers only come to this defective conclusion due to not understanding the material body and the real individual.

They all guess "We are the body" "And we know our guess is the truth" (For now)

Because the Dr F's always guess they haven't even the first clue what "Life" actually is.

They all just slap each other on their backs and say; "Yes you're a good guesser, thus it must be like this."

All until the next guesser comes along and say; "No ... I "THINK" it must be like this.

Thus they remain in perpetual bewilderment although with great authority they have FAITH in their guessing ......
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
May 27, 2013 - 08:49am PT
Conscious last night,
Conscious the night before,
Gonna be conscious tonight
Like I never was conscious before,
Because when I'm conscious
I'm as mindful as can be...
-

This is a troll, but I'll take it seriously anyway just in case someone else is as well.

What do you mean by "conscious?"

Most likely you mean that in some vague and mechanical way, you are aware of what is happening, are vaguely aware of "yourself," and as you navigate through the day you make conscious choices to turn left or right of do this or that. In fact this is basically a stimulus-response mechanism mostly on auto-pilot with your awareness mostly fused to and distracted by the involuntary geysering of your evaluating mind.

Put differently, if you removed most of your conditioning from the above, what would be left? Not so much, I'm afraid. In the auto mode we mostly just regurgitate the old in response to internal and external stimuli.

Now what happens when you ask yourself, "Am I conscious now?"

The Sufis have a practice called self-remembering. A way to nurture your own presence in the here and now, something none of us have much ability to do unless we are faced with an A5 pitch or a loaded gun - or a sublime sunset. The payoff here is not the sunset, per se, but the experience of being totally present, which again, is the starting point. We've all had experience of being here right now, but few have proceeded from there, and ventured way down that road . . .

JL
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