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Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
Not long ago I was made aware of an individual who promoted a brand of enlightenment that featured ETs from the Pleiades star cluster .


Not too long ago, some prof from Salt Lake City claimed to have carcked cold fusion in his garage. We don't write off "science types" because of a few odd balls. What's interesting is how you are so drawn toward frauds and fakers like our cold fusion shamer and ET peddler.

Did you read comic books growing up?

Perhaps you haven't noticed that you refute the very things most of us refute, then direct your refutations at us?

Profesional help might be indicated . . .

JL
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
John,

How can you tell the difference? That is a serious question, and it has bugged me regarding religion for most of my life.

The Bible is pretty clear on this matter. Their way or the highway....to hell. I find the entire idea of hell barbaric.
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
This about sums up the peculiar brand of existential solipsism routinely aired on this thread.


Any port in a storm, eh Ward?

With the exception that it most definitely can be refuted.

Perhaps you could grace us with the refutation?
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Jun 27, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
Base: which question?
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jun 27, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
John,

How can you tell the difference? That is a serious question, and it has bugged me regarding religion for most of my life.
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BASE, if this was directed to me, I don't claim to know anything about religion. What made you think I did? I'm always surprised at what people come up with here.

JL
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jun 27, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
Not too long ago, some prof from Salt Lake City claimed to have carcked cold fusion in his garage. We don't write off "science types" because of a few odd balls. What's interesting is how you are so drawn toward frauds and fakers like our cold fusion shamer and ET peddler.

Mike. The question posed above. How am I supposed to know which religion to follow? Who is the fraud and faker? How can I possibly tell the difference between a real prophet and a false prophet?

The bible talks about false prophets. The Book of Mormon covers false prophets far more than the bible.

Most of the Christians I know consider Joseph Smith a false prophet.

Islam considers Jesus to be an important prophet, but not the son of God.

Why do people pray to Jesus rather than directly to God? My Methodist family says grace to God, prefaced by, "In Jesus' name we pray..."

This has always bugged me. If I had been born in a small village in Saudi Arabia, I would be a muslim. If I had been born in a small village in India, I would be Hindu. If I had been born in China, I would be an atheist.

So much of this is tied into social factors, but I haven't heard a Christian discuss it other than talks about religion with my dad, who is always willing to talk about the hard problems.

Christianity has really changed since I was a kid. Many new churches are in shopping malls instead of stained glass cathedrals.

I urge any of you with cable to watch Joel Osteen preach from his mega-church in Houston. His message is that if you do things right, God will reward you with riches in this life. That goes against everything I know about Jesus. The bible is pretty tough on the rich.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jun 27, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
Does anyone want to understand how we know that the earth has a liquid outer core? It is very simple.
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jun 27, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
How can I possibly tell the difference between a real prophet and a false prophet?

> their prophecy's always come to pass.

a real prophets prophecies are correct 100% of the time. they were stoned to death if any of their prophecy's were false, bitd.

edit: reason being, if they are true prophets, they are hearing directly from God. and, He never lies or changes His mind in these regards. "God is not a man that he should lie...nor a son of man, that he should change his mind."
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 27, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
There is Only One belief system/non/religion where Every adherent agree 100% with all the elements of the belief/system/non-religion.

Atheism, we all agree.


They are ALL False Prophets.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 27, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
I've just received this transmission from the High Council:

Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jun 27, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
Rather than get hooked up with some outfit with "prophets," why not just persue the thing with a credible teacher who instructs you per a practice, that way it is about the practice, not the teacher. The teacher should be no different than a teacher in any other field. They model and hone you in to the particulars, which are always about you. Then YOU can decide what is real. Eventually you will know in a way lost on discursive reasoning. But the start is to study how your mind normally works, and that is usually a study of reasoning and awareness itself. If you can't see how that works, from the inside - in ways totally impossible to see from without, or from analyzing objective functioning - there is no changing your "mind."

JL

splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jun 27, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
Why do people pray to Jesus rather than directly to God? My Methodist family says grace to God, prefaced by, "In Jesus name we pray..."
Jesus is God (the Son). He personally taught us how we should pray when he taught us 'The Lords Prayer', "Our Father in heaven..." (He is Lord, btw). In Jesus name..., Jesus is the name above all names, so if your a believer, you are simply saying that we're praying the way He taught us to pray, and in regards to His promise, "What you ask in My name..."!

On the other hand, the earliest prayer that I ever prayed, "Jesus, please help me!" was not only immediately answered, but saved my life and initiated my personally relationship to Him.

Many times prayers are simply begun with "Lord...". That's the way I usually address Him on a personal basis. Other times I might start with, "God...", or Jesus. He knows who your praying to and, in fact, states that He knows your request before you even state it. So, wudevah, bro!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 27, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
Splitter, if you can talk to God, so can I
and he says your wrong about jebus,
God told me jebus is dead, long dead, so saying it was him makes you wrong
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 27, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
Ward Trotter if you do the same as what i asked of his daughter answer
this please. Does it make sense to do what their med form says? It's
disclosing to a government agency or agencies what's listed as a exemption.

Specialistclimber: without knowing the details firsthand I cannot answer your question, except to say: do what you think is the right thing.
All the best to you and your loved ones my friend.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Jun 27, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
Unusual times on P,G&RvsS.


;>/
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jun 27, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
Splitter, if you can talk to God, so can I
true, that is what He wants everyone to do, it shows that you have faith that He exists. but, you need to take the next step and ask Him to take over your life. get off the thrown that you're sitting on and place Him on it...make Him God of your life. one simple sentence (just a breath away)...He'll know if your sincere.
...and he says that your wrong about jebus, God told me that jebus is dead, long dead, so saying its him makes you wrong
Jesus is the one and only God. so, you must have been talking to someone else. there are many 'gods', but only one God!

sorry to say, but you are totally clueless, dr.frye! i hate to be so deliberate, but it's the truth. it is very simple to initiate a relationship with Him, just ask Him, He's been waiting. like i said, He is only a breath away.

regarding prophecy, i did prophecy once to someone who most likely lurks here on ST (and it happened very shortly after). he is well known in Mammoth and has/had many friends in the Valley. was one of my best friends and on and off roommates for many years. and, i have heard Him tell me many things that were going to happen over the years and they all came true. i never had one iota of doubt that they wouldn't come true. He spoke, that was it. i have told of a few of those times here on ST. like i have said many times, i know the Lords voice. He has a very distinctive voice, plus, and/or presence/Spirit. but, unless you know Him, that would be like trying to describe the colors of a rainbow to a person who has been blind since birth. and furthermore (in your case) like they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't force him to drink.
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Jun 28, 2013 - 12:45am PT
Tonight Jogill and I are of one mind.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jun 28, 2013 - 02:09am PT
boring
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Jun 28, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
How am I supposed to know which religion to follow? Who is the fraud and faker?

Base, this is a funny question coming from you. I wouldn't think that you had any personal interest at all in religion. Therefore, I assume this is an analytical question, a question about a dilemma or curiosity. (Your post suggests you think there should be only one religion, the rest being fraudulent.)

I doubt there is a rational answer to your question. But that doesn't mean the question isn't meaningful.

Looking up "perennial philosophy" on wiki can offer one explanation or interpretation. From here in California, there are many ways I can get to Chicago--there are multiple pathways. The perennial philosophy makes a similar argument--there is a single underlying truth of reality, and anyone who has ever seen it and understood it has expressed it to others in idiosyncratic ways (viz, a variety of religions) that suit different views or personalities.

If you think there is a single reality (only one), then you could argue that any discipline (neuroscience, physics, mathematics, geology, etc.) all describe that one reality from their own vantage points. Those disciplines, unimpeded, should eventually find their way to a final ultimate truth. ("Equifinality," in general systems theory parlance.)

On a personal level, though, I'd say a choice of religion is illogical and experiential. If there is something that you need in your life "to move forward / grow / evolve," that something Will Find You. (Sadly it may not be in the form you want or expect.)

I don't know how that process really works though. It might be the result of the Pleiadian High Council, aliens, minor or major dieties, crop circles, psychological projections, social construction, retrospective sensemaking, spiral dynamic vibrations, or Nietzschean will to power. All I know is that it works somehow.

I've heard therapists say something similar about finding life partners after break-ups and divorces: once a person finally gets over the past relationship (hook, line, and sinker), then almost immediately they find an appropriately suitable partner, but not before. (Go figure.)

Why or how do people find their ways to geology? To cognitive science? To engineering? To teaching? To climbing? To anything? Who knows? Who can answer such questions?

Is reality random? Is it pre-ordained? Is it reliant upon agents' free will and control? Each view presents more problems than it solves. How could reality be random? (Wouldn't we see that at every moment?) How could it be pre-ordained? (Who or what is pulling the strings?) How could reality exhibit any precision if a few billion organisms had autonomy? (How would that work?)
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jun 28, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
New Scientific Evidence for God
http://www.newscientificevidenceforgod.com/?m=1


April 2, 2012 03:06 AM EDT
Was Sodom and Gomorrah Wiped Out by a Comet?
http://m.blogs.christianpost.com/comets-of-god/was-sodom-and-gomorrah-wiped-out-by-a-comet-9091/


Book: The Comets of God New Scientific Evidence for God
http://www.thecometsofgod.com/theysay.html


The Comets Of God-New Scientific Evidence for God: Recent archeological, geological and astronomical discoveries that shine new light on the Bible and its prophecies (Hardcover)
By Phd Jeffrey Goodman
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0984489126/ref=aw_ls__2?colid=2GL3DFQ4AXH2G&coliid=I3D7YJMT8BMAWR

Kindle version:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004BSH0WI/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1372438352&sr=8-2&pi=SL75

Great read.

Phd Goodman and I think alike. He's a scientist and he's a man of faith. He's a Messianic Jew. Baruch HaShem.

The book of Nature, and The Good Book of G-d are in absolute agreement. There're plenty of physical empirical evidences that Hashem tells us the truth and the Word of G-d fully describes many truths of science thousands of years prior to modern man and the development of the scientific method.

G-d is wonderfully omnipotent. He knew this day would come when man says "prove it." Well he does if you're willing to listen.


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