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jstan

climber
Apr 2, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
And thanks to you Jan.

Free energy is the energy possessed by a thermodynamic system that is available to do work. In a sense it is a potential for future action.

Sounds like soul to me.

The diversity across ST is a major strength. As to Jan's focus on science types I'll make a comment. I have heard a talk by Prof. Buss on Evolutionary Psychology. It was riveting how he was able to recast that science so that you could sense potential for real growth. Growth comes from questioning and always giving the data on which conclusions are based.

Edit:
There is one thing I need some help on. The banner ad at the top of my ST page just started featuring boobs. What the heck did I do to bring that on?
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 2, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
And finally, thanks to Ward for the new information about neandertals which makes a lot of sense particularly for those of us who have endured long dismally dark northern European winters. If a neanderthal and sapiens brain could be that different, imagine the different types and levels of consciousness in a dolphin.

Your are welcome Jan. Our human ancestors are inescapably important to you and I. Enough said.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 2, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
Edit:
There is one thing I need some help on. The banner ad at the top of my ST page just started featuring boobs. What the heck did I do to bring that on?

Hilarious. Really funny. Hahahahaha. .
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2013 - 08:41am PT
Yes, if we are so smart why can't we understand plants, which don't even have nervous systems? Why can't we make food out of sunlight, water, CO2, and minerals, skipping a few of the messy steps that plants go through?


We can understand plants, what do we not understand?
They start as single cells, grow and reproduce. They have lots of different cool morphologies. There are 10000s of scientists studing them everyday, there is so much knowledge on plants it's mind boggling.

Just because you can pose a question that we cannot answer does not mean we don't understand plants.

We can make food from sunlight, CO2 and minerals; in a lab.
Of course no animal can do it with animal organs, we evolved to eat plants, not to be plants.
MH2

climber
Apr 3, 2013 - 09:45am PT
Artificial photosynthesis is a research field, not a solved problem. We know a lot about photosynthesis but we can't yet make it happen in artificial systems the way it happens in plants. For example:

photodamage is usually a consequence in many of the tested systems after a period of exposure to light

(from the Wikipedia article)



Soon, perhaps, but we may get it to work without understanding the system in the sense that Ed invoked: being able to calculate it's response.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2013 - 09:48am PT
I didn't say it was Artificial photosynthesis

But we can still make food from CO2, and minerals in a lab.
Not that it is a good way to make food, it would be much too expensive.


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WBraun

climber
Apr 3, 2013 - 09:55am PT
Ed H -- "there is no reason to believe it requires anything more than a physical description."

Classic scientiism

Scientism -- constitutes the most authoritative worldview or most valuable part of human learning to the exclusion of other viewpoints.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2013 - 10:03am PT
From "The Rocks don't lie, A geologist investigates Noah's Flood"
By David Montgomery

which proves that there was Never a great flood, and the Noah's Ark fairy tale is just another pagan myth that the bible included as the "word of God"

The scientific story of the origin and evolution of life, the vast sweep of geologic time, and the complexity of the processes that shaped the world we know today inspire more awe and wonder than the series of one-off miracles from Genesis that I read about in Sunday School. Miracles do not fuel curiosity or innovation. If we embrace the claim that the earth is a few thousand years old, we must also throw out the most basic findings of geology, physics, chemistry and biology. The concept of geologic time, on the other hand, opens up an entirely new creation story, along with the idea that world is unfinished and creation is ongoing. And a complex, evolving world is one we would be well advised to do our best to understand.

Personally, I find a world that invites exploration and learning more inspiring than a world where all is known... yet no honest search for the truth can deny geological discoveries-not when the Earth's marvelous story is laid out for all to see in the very fabric of our world. We may argue endlessly about how to interpret the bible, but rocks don't lie. They tell it like it was.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Apr 3, 2013 - 10:31am PT
If we embrace the claim that the earth is a few thousand years old, we must also throw out the most basic findings of geology, physics, chemistry and biology.
Giving rise to an anti-science disposition.
jstan

climber
Apr 3, 2013 - 10:38am PT
damn you for that picture of the torn jeans

I have found an effective countermeasure for that problem. You just concentrate your attention on something of more interest. In the case of that picture I noticed her excellent ape index. There is no telling what she might be able to do if you could get her on a climb.

And I think you are onto something when you associate life with non equilibrium processes and soul with available energy. Really excellent neuronal cross linking there!
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Apr 3, 2013 - 11:24am PT
MH2

climber
Apr 3, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
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The other day Terry O'Reilly on CBC Radio was talking about hyper-targeting. This is hyper-retro-obscurity-targeting.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Apr 3, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
For careful study...
http://saiu.org/2013/04/03/greenwald-and-hussain-on-sam-harris-and-racism/

.....

Speaking of caricature, here's another most recent leveled at me...

HFCS who believes we understand everything and it's all just an engineering problem to figure it out...

:(

Sign of the times, just have to roll with it, I guess.

.....

Take Action: Support Imprisoned Atheist Bloggers In Bangladesh

http://action.americanhumanist.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=13035

http://www.gulf-times.com/bangladesh/245/details/347680/bangladesh-arrests-three-atheist-bloggers
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Apr 3, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
I wonder if Dolphins would have atomic bombs if they could only hold a pencil.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Apr 3, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
To get the web trackers off of your ass, download "Do not Track Me."

5 stars from CNET.
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Apr 3, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
Ed:

Your writing is downright lyrical. I beamed reading it. (the 4/2 at 8:23)

Ed and Largo:

I know people (well along in their careers) in academia who are good at editing, good at visualizing things in creative ways--who are good artists and good writers and good in their science. They make their science come alive.

So what is it--science, writing, or artistry?

Aren't they attempting to approach the unapproachable, the indescribable, the ungraspable?

As my teacher says: "TFW" (too f*cking weird).

My wife and I talked about how we got to where we are today, and although our paths look understandable, if we simply layout the events one after another, they are all almost completely unrelated and paradoxical. Their "evolutions" present a total mystery.

Is it randomness? Is it An Absolute in control of everything? Or are we just stupid? I mean, I'm kinda a smart guy, but brother . . . TFW.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 3, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
Incredible Scientific program on PBS/SoCal proof of Plants awareness of each other.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/what-plants-talk-about/video-dodder-vine-sniffs-out-its-prey/8234/

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/what-plants-talk-about/preview/8228/
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 3, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
The first Mechanized Computer. From 100 BCE.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Apr 4, 2013 - 12:38am PT
I can vouch for the Do not Track Me program that base104 recommends from CNET. He mentioned it on another thread so I downloaded it and now all I see is the Supertopo logo.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:59am PT
One of the top eye-to-brain research scientists was an English/French major who got into to science due to having to take a biology course her last semester in order to graduate. She got curious about the genetics and asked the prof where she could learn more and he said, "in my lab" so she went to work for him and it was off to the races after that.

She said her work on how we get from light to vision is a lot like translating english-to-french and she's just trying to sort out the dictionary.
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