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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 31, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
not something, the opposite of something...

The opposite of something isn't nothing. It's an negative of something.
Thats where ur confused


And your THE materialist?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Mar 31, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
I just got back from hauling goods to a disabled friend of mine, and the whole way there and the whole way back I tried to see how nothingness could exist. Literally nothingness.

It isn't possible. If you live in this universe, you are getting punctured by neutrinos, yanked by gravity, and exist in a fairly strong electromagnetic field.

In its most fundamental sense, there is no such thing as absolute nothingness within the confines of the physical universe.

If there is anything outside of this universe that you have tapped into, then you've made an incredible discovery. Please post details. If you can prove it, even in a theory that holds water, you will be more famous than Newton and Einstein.

edit: Yeah, I was lead to the same notion, an infant's mind.
WBraun

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
Base104 -- "I'm living proof that anyone who can operate a carabiner can climb the Nose."

I said something similar last year, (the nose rappellers), they then fuked up, had to be rescued and were fined.

LOL

Except I had a defined clause in my post.

"Any competent well round climber can do it."

Some stupid fools on this site actually tried to make me responsible for their fate.

So ya gotta be careful what we say here.

There's too many stupid fools out there who have no brain and try to throw blame ......



BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 31, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
Base
Well, is largo posting it as a - toward Ed, or
Is it a + from his point of view?

That's all that matters. IMO
WBraun

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
If there is anything outside of this universe that you have tapped into, then you've made an incredible discovery.

Not really.

Every living entity is tapped into (the anything) outside of the universe 24 hours 7 days of the week all year round forever always.

Even you!

Even your so called science.

Nothing can move without IT.

You're just oblivious to the fact.

The 6 billion dollar smash tube is useless against it ......
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
NO, I'm not confused about nothing

But some people believe God made everything out of nothing,
and he does nothing that can be detected by man, yet does everything

now that is confusing, and impossible
WBraun

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
he does nothing that can be detected by man,

Then you are DEAD .....
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
Not dead, more alive than the brain dead zombies that believe in fairy tales, elves, goblins and Gods running the universe,
though they can't point a single one, or a single thing that they affect
They have given up thinking for themselves, and rely on stories from books they read of a magical candy land of make believe

What stuff is God doing that can be detected, measured??
Huh?? Name it?

Answer the question, and get a Nobel Prize.

But you can't because God doesn't do anything, he is a figment of your wild imagination

That we can measure, and yours if off the charts
WBraun

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
Yes we measure how big your dead brain is.

Not very difficult.

Even a child and grandma can do it.

Even a trained monkey can do it .......
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
so no answer, just some more BS blather
I'm Not supprised,
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 31, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
Drf
But some people believe God made everything out of nothing,

Not out of Nothin, But out of Love.
How could everything be created out of Love? That's the question!
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Mar 31, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
Scientism ~ the belief that the methods of measuring, or the categories and things described through measuring, form the only real and legitimate elements in any philosophical or other inquiry, and that science alone describes the world as it is in itself, independent of perspective, with a concomitant elimination of the psychological dimensions of experience.

This was the statement that JL originally brought up. I read it again, with at least a little newly found perspective of this thread. We have covered a lot of ground in almost 2 years.

I've gotta go back to work. That will no doubt please some of you.

I feel a wave of evangelism is coming. The harmonic tremors just started.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
Love isn't something that material things like stars and matter can be made of
so your logic doesn't hold up
Just more candy land fantasy BS
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Mar 31, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
I'm still upset about Largo having others tell him things to post. Why did he do that? I have been suspecting as much since this whole thing started, and he finally admitted it.

The part about Ed "Not understanding it because he is over forty." is a total stab in the back.
-

That's right BASE, I just cut and past EVERYTHING I've ever written here from some expert, er, scientist, LOL. Sort of like people making sweeping conclusions about subjective adventures having never put in the work, believing that a few quips from there discursive minds will clear the flotsam once and for all. Then acting as though this all were perfectly so. This is shaming the subject and you know it. Shame is you sell yourself short in the process.

And who's been razing me from the beginning with all sorts of silly metaphors and so forth? One snipe from my friend at Ed for being my age is lightweight stuff. Everything is fair game here. Man up, or rap off.

Oh and this:

But some people believe God made everything out of nothing. . .

Sort of like DNA arose out of nothing - just super slowly. And by the way - WHAT went bang? LOL

JL
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 31, 2013 - 09:44pm PT

Love isn't something that material things like stars and matter can be made of
so your logic doesn't hold up
Just more candy land fantasy BS

Tell me the "Love" you have for your mommie, your wife, your flowers.
Isnt Real?

Edit: at what point did u guys start this thread at?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 31, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
Randomivity pointing towards posivity
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Mar 31, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
I've stated many times that our understanding of these types of physical systems, let's just say "life," will probably require physics we don't know yet

Meh.

Analytical bioengineering... not physics... will be the key to understanding behind such phenomena as consciousness.
Psilocyborg

climber
Mar 31, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
Dr F, its really too bad you refuse to drink the koolaid. As much as you despise spirituality, it adds an extra dimension to life.....a little spice in your coffee. I just got to ask.....why not?

Belief is a powerful thing. It trumps fact. The earth was flat. Then it was round. That is the power of belief.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 31, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
Jus to be faIr, Drf doesn't answer questions that make "sense"
Only the ones that are "scientific"?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Mar 31, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
Blu, you are an embarrassment to any science discussion. Even those on a climbing site.

Then again, I suspect you're proud of this. Hasta.
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