developed the acquired capacity to more easily spot the distinctive color of a new fruit source. This heightened color vision constitutes a quantum leap in consciousness for those species.
This surely exposes an expanse of awareness to the animals conscienceness.
But what about the plant? For the plant to even conjure up a colorful flower to promote
awareness to the world (in this case a bird or insect) in order for it to be polenized.
Can't this be perceived as a conscienceness between plants and animals and visa-versa?
Can't this be perceived as a conscienceness between plants and animals and visa-versa?
Yes, Blueblocr, but we would have to reframe the current discussion and reverse engineer it with a new set of definitions.
I know what you are saying though.
Time to go home from work but one more post. Saw a really tripped out TED talk about how plants can communicate with each other through their root tips, check it out:
Not predator/prey - competition within the human species. If you need 10 brain cells to outsmart a lion, think how many you'd need to outsmart another person.
Even a single cell amoeba can outsmart the whole world .....
Sure, if it gets to choose the game. I bet I could take it at chess, though.
healyje,
I was thinking of your earlier post on predation/prediction but I don't like to make any reference to the history of this thread lest it get a puffed-up idea of itself. Backward looking is only okay for derogatory purposes. Otherwise live in the moment.
Years ago John could add no details as to why he felt there was some non-material extension to humans. His statement was based upon how making that statement made him feel. It felt right. That's great. But it fails to form the basis for any discussion between two different people.
What's amazing to me is that I can say time and again that experiential insight has nothing whatsoever to do with "feelings," but people as smart as John S. can keep trotting that out - that a limbic brain response is the "reason" I stay with what I am saying, as opposed to the idea that it is fundamentally true. The problem for dedicated quantifiers (who do nothing else) is that they have a limited understanding of what true is.
If you really understood consciousness and how it works you can easily see how even a simple amoeba can destroy anyone at chess if it so needs to be done.
But looking at from from the material only view you'll "think" you are superior and can beat it and there's no possibility .....
Another thing they need to explain is how psychedelic drugs can cause full-on religious revelations. A lot of religious rants just sound like somebody's tripping out and it makes me think they're related. I listen to them on the radio on Sunday mornings, and they remind me of schizophrenics who've just lost control. It's entertaining at some level, but if you try to follow their logic its seriously disturbing. It's like they're doing a demonstration of mental illness for the audience. I'm not talking about people speaking in tongues or snake handling, just the ordinary ones on the radio. Either mental illness or psychedlic drugs.
Psychedelics were used in many early religions, Obviously in South America but if you look into Chrismas, Santa Claus and the pagan origins, drinking the urine with fly amanita was the main event. Santa was some bright red mushroom guy in the original production. The point's not to open the doors of perception, it's that at sub-visual doses those drugs induce religious exstasy. Rapture, awe, extasy, that kind of stuff. It must be the same brain circuitry working (or not).
There was recently a study where they gave people psilocybin and did CAT scans of their brains to see which parts of the brains were affected. The tripping wasnt from stimulated brain function as you might guess, but from having certain parts of the brain suppressed. So I'm guessing that these religious experiences people have are some kind of extreme brain reaction to stress. They've literally worked themselves into a frenzy, where some part of the brain that's supposed to control it, can't. The same exact mental state can be induced by drugs.
If you really understood consciousness and how it works you can easily see how even a simple amoeba can destroy anyone at chess if it so needs to be done.
Well maybe that amoeba has some impressive powers of consciousness, but I'd love to see him actually move the piece.
This thread would be no where without WB. Kinda like the Climate Change thread is a dud without The Chief.
I must be smarter than these plants, since they are product of my hybridization. They only exist because I performed the requisite artificial pollination, and then grew the special seeds to maturity.
Let us know!