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WBraun

climber
Mar 10, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
That just happens to be immeasurable, imperceptible, illogical and totally imaginary by both good folks

Only if you're blind and live on the bottom of the deep dark well.

Since you're there ......
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 10, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
Credit: TomCochrane
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 10, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
Only if you're blind and live on the bottom of the deep dark well.


 ah yes, the oldest pathetic trick in the book…. "you don't know it because you're not trying hard enough, you haven't reached the correct level of cognition, you're not completely open to the experience of god as I am. So sad for you, the non-believer_"

Metaphorically you claim that I am at the bottom of a well…

One question of particularly poignant importance here: To a blind person does the world that the rest of us exist in really exist?

I say yes, it does, just without a similar thing I call sight.

This same question can be applied to any and all what are commonly called handicaps.

To add to this the idea that life is just as fulfilling for the blind as it can be for the sighted; as it is for the hearing impaired and the hearing, the mobile and the immobile.


No Werner, nobody is at the bottom of a well, nobody is at the top of the mountain with respect to the imaginary god.




WBraun

climber
Mar 10, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
To a blind person does the world that the rest of us exist in really exist?


Who's talking about the rest?

You are. I'm not, that's why you're an idiot and mental speculator.

You just proved it as you keep making up sh!t nobody said.

I'm talking to you alone. You idiot.

You can't read nor understand anything but what you constantly project from your little tiny brain onto the world outside of you.

At the same time you constantly project the same stupid garbage you make up in your tiny brain onto the person you're communicating to also.

You can't see things as they.

You keep proving by your idiotic posts here.

Such as: "ah yes, the oldest pathetic trick in the book"

I'm not making up any tricks. You're a nutcase.

Get a brain fool, you don't have one ....
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 10, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
Werner,

Please, try and keep this at an 8th grade level and show some real compassion for those who are not as knowledgable in the realm of the godly as you obviously are.
What's with all the name calling? You sure show your true christian colors when you wrote this way.


Who's talking about the rest?

 oh, that's right christianity strictly a singular undertaking? You know this is not true because if it were true you nor any of the other christians would care what anyone has to say about anything godly…


Werner's list of the best reasons to be a good christian:

...that's why you're an idiot and mental speculator.

...You idiot.

You can't read nor understand anything….

...you constantly project from your little tiny brain onto the world outside of you.

... you constantly project the same stupid garbage...

…you make up in your tiny brain…

You keep proving by your idiotic posts here.

You're a nutcase.

Get a brain fool, you don't have one ….


All the best reasons to take up my bible and learn to be a good christian, like my religious guru Werner Braun Jr.


With an attitude like that you may well be gods best man.. keep it in the closet werner…. none of it makes sense out here in the world, but only in your mind


Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Mar 10, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
you should not be surprised that werner posts nincompoop arguments
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 10, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
do I need to point it out?

I think you're right… I just like to hold up the mirror every once in a while





Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Mar 10, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
Sure go ahead and get Werner mad, it produces more material for the famous Werner quotes thread and is good for the website ratings.

From Wikipedia:

Von Braun joined the Allgemeine SS, which was not an armed unit. In 1947, he gave the U.S. War Department this explanation:

"In spring 1940, one SS-Standartenfuehrer (SS-colonel) Mueller from Greifswald, a bigger town in the vicinity of Peenemuende, looked me up in my office ... and told me, that Reichsfuehrer SS Himmler had sent him with the order to urge me to join the SS. I told him I was so busy with my rocket work that I had no time to spare for any political activity. He then told me, that ... the SS would cost me no time at all. I would be awarded the rank of a[n] "Untersturmfuehrer (lieutenant) and it were [sic] a very definite desire of Himmler that I attend his invitation to join. I asked Mueller to give me some time for reflection. He agreed.

Realizing that the matter was of highly political significance for the relation between the SS and the Army, I called immediately on my military superior ..., Dr. Dornberger. He informed me that the SS had for a long time been trying to get their "finger in the pie" of the rocket work. I asked him what to do. He replied on the spot that if I wanted to continue our mutual work, I had no alternative but to join." Von Braun joined the organization and was issued membership number 185,068.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 10, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
Werner is fast becoming the new go-b, but least all the quacklings are originals - sort of a theological Groucho Marx with dogma instead of comedy.



I suppose we could get the mustache and glasses on this dude:

Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Mar 10, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
If you're going to criticize Werner, at least get his belief system straight. Sanskrit and Vedas and Bhagavad Gita hardly equate to Christianity. Of course that's been the problem with this thread from the beginning. Seeing all people as representations of what you dislike is called psychologial projection. Next step? Stereotyping and blind prejudice. Hardly the realm of the science you defend.

Until atheism is something more than being against religion (and usually a particular religion), it will be a hard sell to most people. For modern atheists that seems to be the choice. Do you want to vent your anger at a religion(s) or do you want to create something new that will help large numbers of the human race toward a different outlook?

Another alternative would be the traditional role of the atheist, of which we see examples on this thread also, people who have more interesting positive contributions in other fields, who don't feel the need to evangelize atheism but will thoughtfully explain why they are atheists if asked.

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 10, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
If you're going to criticize Werner, at least get his belief system straight. Sanskrit and Vedas and Bhagavad Gita hardly equate to Christianity.

I don't recall doing any 'equating' of theologies. The only equating I was doing was with regard to blind dogma. And does that statue look christian to you? With regard to atheism, I for one would like to create something: a world where humans don't need the crutch and delusions of religion in order to deal with the unknown.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 10, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
Jan, are you serious? There is a serious criticism leveled at "religion" because it is justified on moral terms, not just material logic. When the major players are capable of showing some moral fiber which will start with a true humble embrace of science, a repudiation of male social domination, An understanding of human sexuality that is humane and healthy and an ability to put thier neck in a noose against tyranny like jesus would do then you would have a case. Instead they cling to their guns and prehistoric dogma while appeasing the corporate sharks who really cal the shots while only offering some take it on faith chance for something better in the next life.

Furthermore, to suggest that anything other than religion offers nothing in its place is ridiculous. In moral terms we secularists are easily the equals (to be charitable) of any goddamn religious nuts any day of the week. It is true our morality has developed to this point largely thanks to our religious heritage but obviously those days are over. We cherry picked the good stuff and are now busily and adamently discarding the stupid. Yeah, I guess we're not yet organized enough to have meetings every sunday or picnics or fund raisers for Newt Gingrich but at least we're not a bunch of soma sucking suckers.

If the religious really gave a rats ass about our life on this world their top dogs would be waging a holy jihad right now about our prospects with global warming and the likelyhood that the next generation of the meek are not going to be inheriting nothing other than a stomped head. But of course that would require that they actually defer to a higher authority in the matter.... science.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 10, 2013 - 07:39pm PT

Well said Bruce
WBraun

climber
Mar 10, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
Bring it on lightweights.

We're not talking about religion.

We're talking about if God exists or not.

You spineless wankers are stuck in a religion box gagged and bound.

Some terrible scientists you are.

Watch em all start going off on religion again.

They can't help themselves being all boxed in with nowhere to go ......
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 10, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
Which of your Vedic fairytale gods are we talking about in your instance? You are surely a heavyweight in the domain of infallible dogma; if only that equated to wisdom you'd be a veritable sage. But, as it is, all I hear is the distant quacking of a speculating mind.
WBraun

climber
Mar 10, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Just keep wasting your time Joe spitting all your hot air into the wild.

No wonder there's a global warming ......
new world order2

climber
Mar 10, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
All religions were given to us by the few elite, as a means to control the masses, and war with each other.

Seems to have worked.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Mar 10, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
Religion. Science. Religion vs. Science. Why does it have to be an us vs them sort of thing? On a purely pragmatic level I understand.

So much of the conversation on this thread, though, goes way beyond the pragmatic and to the point of us vs them. Why? Why do you care what someone else believes or has faith in or a lack of faith in? Why is it so important to sway the other side?

To me it's as interesting to understand why we believe what we do as to what we believe. And why it seems so important to get others to believe as we do.

Of course, this whole discussion is predicated on the idea that "I'm right. You're wrong". There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of wiggle room in between.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 10, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
We're not talking about religion.

May I draw your attention to the thread title? To be fair I notice that you in fact seldom discuss the political (religion) so much as the ...... well, what ever the hell it is, thats what you stick to which is no skin off my ass. However you may extend the same courtesy to us heathens eh? That is if you actually can extend courtesy to anything other than your authority.

Either way for now you can go fuk yourself braun. What Jan just said sure pissed me off and I'm in no mood for your brand of idiocy right now.
WBraun

climber
Mar 10, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
Glad you're pissed off, ya whiny little piss ant.

Shows that all your hot air is contributing to more global warming.

Loser ....
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