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An Oil Field
Mar 8, 2013 - 09:09am PT
There was a guy I worked with in New Ventures at a really big company who had a huge prospect in Nevada.

So he shows me a jar with some chunks in it. It looked sort of like black tar. Usually that means a super low API oil gravity of around 10. Good oil is around 30-40.

So I say what the hell is that? He says it is 30 gravity oil with a pour point of 100 degrees, which means that it is a liquid down at reservoir pressure. It was loaded with paraffin, which is hard to refine.

Damndest thing I have ever seen. So yeah, there is an oil prospect somewhere in Nevada. I have no idea where. Management punted it. We laughed that you could transport it in cubes.

Mar 8, 2013 - 09:26am PT
Here's one for you Base 104

After Bush Era Decline, US Now World’s Top Oil Producer

Oil Output Suppressed, Lowered by Bush/Cheney/Enron Manipulation

US Oil Production Surpasses Saudi Arabia’s for the First Time in a Decade

America is now the top oil producer in the world, nearly a 45% increase today over the worst dip in production during the Bush market crash. In fact, over the entire Bush administration, oil production in the US maintained a steady decrease despite endless new areas made available to drilling, some at high environmental risk.


I don't really know what all this really means but I believe you would have a much better idea of its true reality?

Mar 8, 2013 - 09:31am PT
Is there any uncertainty about the degrees of freedom allowed by QCD?

Here is part of a note at the end of a chapter in Penrose:

In quantum mechanical problems there are likely to be compactness requirements on the solution space which severely restrict the allowed eigenvalues and confuse the counting of degrees of freedom.

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An Oil Field
Mar 8, 2013 - 10:52am PT
The U.S. is producing flat out and everyone is drilling like crazy. Onshore it is numerous competing companies, and no way are they choking back production at these prices. The only place that has enough production to control price is OPEC, and now the industry believes that they don't have enough excess production capacity to control price by dumping it on the market, which they have done in the past.

The U.S. is #2 to Saudi Arabia in terms of oil reserves. The difference is that we have already burned 190 billion bbls of it. What we have left is hard and expensive to get at. The bump in production will be hard to sustain. These new wells decline rapidly. I look at new decline curves 100 times per day.

The U.S. is not the world's top producer. We are third or fourth. I need to check because we go back and forth with Russia. Most people don't think of the U.S. as one of the world's largest producers, but we are. We just waste it. Americans use more gasoline per capita than any country in the world....by a long shot. We guzzle gas and then get pissed if it goes over three bucks. It is a classic supply and demand business if you don't consider the OPEC nations.

I have a post I'm working on. I put it up but it needs editing. Writing coherently is harder than it looks.

Mar 8, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Thank you, Ed. I appreciate your commentary.


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joshua tree
Mar 8, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
The U.S. is #2 to Saudi Arabia in terms of oil reserves. The difference is that we have already burned 190 billion bbls of it.

Is this how much we've extracted already ? Don't we export most (70%?) of our oil for more money than we buy the oil we use (80%?) from Saudi?

What becomes of the 190 bil. bbls. Volume of void underground?

Americans use more gasoline per capita than any country in the world....by a long shot.

Isn't our Aviation and Train industry's responsible for most (75%?) of our consumption?
With the same % contributing to "green house gases". And those fossil fuel burners are
not equipped with ANY kind of smog retention devices!

Edit: doesn't one shuttle launch produce 60,000 times more co2's than all mankind?
HaHa,Jus Kid'in!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
I'm pretty sure it's that we are the top producer of Refined Oil Products, not the top Oil Producer, we don't have the reserves to be top.
We Refine more oil here than any where else.

It's shipped in from Saudi, Ven., Canada, etc. and we refine it, the rest of the world buys it from us Refined.

Social climber
An Oil Field
Mar 8, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
Is this how much we've extracted already ? Don't we export most (70%?) of our oil for more money than we buy the oil we use (80%?) from Saudi?

What becomes of the 190 bil. bbls. Volume of void underground?

We have already used 190 billion bbls. That is second in the world to the total reserves of Saudi Arabia.

You guys read way too much crap. I'm not going to get into a pissing match with willfully ignorant people. We don't net export. We only export refined products normally. The market for oil is geographically here. Sometimes a company may sell from the west coast to the Asian market, but it doesn't affect gasoline prices. They are high because we have peaked.

Do yourselves a favor: Go to the Energy Information Administration, which is the CIA of oil, gas, coal, whatever, statistics. They have intro articles all over the site, and it is generally the place to go to answer your questions.

I go to it quite a bit. It has reserves, consumption, whatever, on everything, going back to the fifties at least. In the whole world.

Back to Qualia and Hilbert Space and meditating for hours just to clear your mind and squinting to try to see something that is already right in front of you.

I saw that you are working with Jefe on the new Ascent, JL. JJ is probably the kindest person that I have ever met in my life. He is compulsively kind.

He's also way into Yoga and told me a little about my Buddhism books one summer. Great guy. Super guy. He ought to get a medal he is so nice guy.

He's also still a badass climber. He was always leaving the office early with a box of bolts...putting up routes every damn day.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Mar 8, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
Every time someone brings up Hilbert space I feel like a total f*#king moron. Folks, if you have to add extra dimensions to your theory, you're cheating. No cheating, please. I parted company with the physicists sometime after they all got on the big bangwagon. The ones with 13 dimensional string theories, need to go back to the drawing board and come up with something that has 3.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 8, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
When a belief is widely held in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, we call it a superstition. By that criterion, the most egregious superstition of modern times is the 'scientific' belief in the non-existence of psi. - Thomas Etter

Mountain climber
San Diego
Mar 8, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
More evidence that the Good Word doesn't lie ...

Once again religion and science are in agreement. Faith/religion validates science, and science validates faith/religion.

The exact date Yeshua HaMashiach was crucified: April 3, 33AD (4-3-33AD @ 3pm)

(Other questions to pursue: So what's the significance of 333? What's G-d trying to tell us by picking this date? True enough, G-d is into numbers and their significance. This is exemplified through out the Bible time and time again.)

All of these events happened on 4-3-33AD at or near 3pm:

*The crucifixion and death of Yeshua (Its in the Good book. It's in the Talmud. I believe Josephus mentions it.)

*Prophecy fulfilled from the Torah/Tenach

*Massive Earthquake

Veil in the Holy of Holies in the Temple was torn top to bottom (now man has access to G-d through the redeeming blood of Yeshua HaMashiach)

*Total Lunar eclipse that evening

*(Then the written record of these events was recorded in the books of the B'rit Hadesha (New Covenant) )

* = All 5 of the above can be validated:

Yeshua was indeed an alive historical human figure of great significance and he died a horrible Roman crucifixion.

Read the Good book to see that sure enough the prophecy concerning his life and death in the Torah/Tenach written many, many years prior was fulfilled exactly that very day. How is this possible? G-d is omniscient.

The earthquake has been validated by geologists.

Using Kepler's laws and Newton's Universal Law of gravity we can turn back the night sky (Starry Night software) and see that on the Gregorian calendar on 4-3-33AD there was indeed a total Lunar eclipse that could be seen from Jerusalem that evening.

Then the historical B'rit Hadesha (New Covenant) tells us these things happened after the fact in written historical record. Point by point. It's all true.

By Marge Floori on October 14, 2009

Jesus' Crucifixion Date Possibly Friday April 3, 33 A.D., According To Earthquake Study
The Huffington Post | By Samreen Hooda
Posted: 05/25/2012 4:39 pm EDT | Updated: 05/31/2012 8:02 pm EDT


Interesting further notes from one of the geologists involved: He is agnostic

The original study:
International Geology Review
Volume 54, Issue 10, 2012
Jefferson B. Williamsa, Markus J. Schwabb & A. Brauerb
pages 1219-1228
An early first-century earthquake in the Dead Sea


Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 8, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
If you're into Etter you need to be contributing here:

http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/articles.html it's at least three steps up from the World Weekly News.

Social climber
An Oil Field
Mar 8, 2013 - 10:56pm PT

You are so spot on. Tell me when to sell my house. Teasing..

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 8, 2013 - 11:03pm PT

DNA evidence has revealed that the oldest known common male ancestor is 340,000 years old, more than twice as old as previous estimates.

New Scientist reports that the sample comes from a recently deceased man named Albert Perry. After the African-American South Carolina man died, one of his relatives submitted a sample of his DNA to a company called Family Tree DNA for analysis.

The findings were published in the The American Journal of Human Genetics and may require researchers to adjust the known timeline of humankind’s evolution.

And the historical mark came at something of a bargain—the company does historical DNA analysis on individuals for about $150.

All previously compared DNA samples pointed to a common Y chromosome traced back to man who lived between 60,000 and 140,000 years ago. But Perry’s DNA sample broke the trend, not matching up with this common ancestor.

"It's a cool discovery," Jon Wilkins of the Ronin Institute in Montclair, N.J., told New Scientist. "We geneticists have been looking at Y chromosomes about as long as we've been looking at anything. Changing where the root of the Y-chromosome tree is at this point is extremely surprising."

After the initial tests on Perry’s DNA, geneticists at the University of Arizona conducted further tests to confirm the anomaly. The Y chromosome in Perry’s test matched up with those of 11 men who all lived in one village in Cameroon.

University of Arizona researcher Michael Hammer says Perry’s DNA suggests there may have been an earlier species of humans that went extinct—but not before interbreeding with the more modern version of man.

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 8, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
Is Your Brain Really Necessary?


Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 8, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
It appears there is experimental scientific basis for Einstein's 'spooky action at a distance.'

NOW what about that girl who got entangled with me back in high school!


By Jesse Emspak
updated 11/6/2012 12:40:31 PM ET

Quantum physics is the science of the very small. But physicists are making it bigger, setting records for the size and energies of objects they can get to exhibit quantum effects.

Now physicists at the University of Vienna in Austria have "virtually intertwined" or entangled two particles spinning faster than ever in opposite directions. Entanglement occurs when two particles remain connected so that actions performed on one affect the other, despite the distance between them. (Einstein referred to this eerie connection as " spooky action at a distance.")

In the new study, Anton Fickler and his colleagues entangled two photons that had a high orbital angular momentum, a property that measures the twisting of a wave of light. In quantum physics, particles such as photons can behave as particles and waves.

"It's a stepping stone on the development of new technologies," said Anton Zeilinger, director of the Institute for Quantum Optics and Quantum Information and a co-author of the study, which is detailed in Monday's issue of the journal Science.

Such entanglement experiments have been carried out for decades. In this case, though, the researchers did something a bit different. They created entangled photons and gave them lots of angular momentum, more than in any experiment before.

Usually the energy contained in a photon is very small: its quantum number is low. At higher energies, this changes. Quantum physics and "normal" or classical physics start to look similar when quantum numbers get high; this is called the correspondence principle, and it applies to many areas of physics.

To create entangled photons, Fickler and his team sent a laser through a beam splitter, dividing the laser beam into two. Two photons were sent down separate optical fibers and their waves were twisted, and twisted, and twisted some more, ramping up their angular momentum — imagine a wave shaped like a spiral, spinning faster and faster.

Eventually, there was enough angular momentum in the photons that their quantum numbers — the units their momentum is measured in — differed by a factor of 600, a higher value than any seen previously. The photons spinning rapidly in opposite directions, meanwhile, were still entangled.

They knew this because when particles are entangled, measuring the quantum state (in this case the angular momentum and orientation) of one particle immediately tells you the quantum state of the other, no matter where it is. Since they had the ability to measure both, the researchers could confirm entanglement.

(Though this transfer of information between the particles is instantaneous, entanglement can't be used for faster-than-light communication because it is impossible to set the quantum state beforehand, as you would in a message).

This shows that entanglement effects can be seen at high energies, meaning closer to the macroscopic world we all know and interact with. "It means we have to take the correspondence principle with a large grain of salt," Zeilinger said.

Just as importantly, the experiment shows that the only barrier to applying certain kinds of quantum effects is technical — there is no physical reason that one shouldn't be able to see quantum phenomena at high enough energies that they would bleed into the visible world, though that will take some time to do.

Mckinleyville, Ca
Mar 9, 2013 - 10:31am PT
The mechanics of this ancient sci fi novel might be more possible now than its author knew. (?) This Wikipedia synopsis is easier to read than the dry style of the actual book.

The Black Cloud
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Black Cloud is a science fiction novel written by astrophysicist Sir Fred Hoyle. Published in 1957, the book details the arrival of an enormous cloud of gas that enters the solar system and threatens to destroy most of the life on Earth by blocking the Sun's radiation.

Plot summary
In 1964, astrophysicists on Earth become aware of an immense cloud of gas that is heading for the solar system. The cloud, if interposed between the Sun and the Earth, could wipe out most of the life on Earth by blocking solar radiation and ending photosynthesis. A cadre of astronomers and other scientists is drawn together in Nortonstowe, England, to study the cloud and report to the British government about the consequences of its presence.

The cloud decelerates as it approaches the Sun (contrary to physical laws) and comes to rest around the Sun, causing disastrous climatic changes on Earth and immense mortality and suffering for the human race. This section of the novel presages the nuclear winter scenario popularised in the 1980s. As the behaviour of the cloud proves to be impossible to predict scientifically, the team at Nortonstowe eventually come to the conclusion that it might be a life-form with a degree of intelligence. In an act of desperation, the scientists try to communicate with the cloud, and to their surprise succeed in doing so. The cloud is revealed to be a superorganism, many times more intelligent than humans, which in return is surprised to find intelligent life-forms on a solid planet.

When the astronomers ask the cloud how its lifeform originated, it replies that they have always existed. One of the characters suggests this is incompatible with the Big Bang theory. Thus it may be that Hoyle was hinting at his own Steady State theory of the existence of the Universe, which most cosmologists consider disproved by the discovery of cosmic background radiation.

The cloud then learns that another intelligent cloud has stopped communicating and may have mysteriously vanished, not so far away in space in the cloud's terms, so it decides to move on, relieving Earth's suffering. Two of the scientists die in an attempt to learn some of the cloud's vast store of knowledge through visual signals, in order to gain further insights about the Universe.

Using a computer model of molecular dynamics, an international team has discovered that, under the right conditions, particles of inorganic dust can become organized into helical structures. These structures can interact with one another in ways that are usually associated with organic compounds and with life. Not only do these helical strands interact in a counter-intuitive way in which like can attract like, but they also undergo changes that are normally associated with biological molecules, such as DNA and proteins, say the researchers. For example, they can divide to form two copies of the original structure. These new structures can also interact to induce changes in their neighbours. And they can even evolve into yet more structures as less stable ones break down, leaving behind only the fittest structures in the plasma. 'These complex, self-organized plasma structures exhibit all the necessary properties to qualify them as candidates for inorganic living matter,' said the lead researcher. 'They are autonomous, they reproduce and they evolve.'" The research, published in the New Journal of Physics 2007, was carried out using a computer model of molecular dynamics. [3]

Hoyle's scientific background
Though the presence of a sentient cloud of gas may seem unlikely, the story is grounded in hard science.[4] The detection of the cloud is described using physics equations, all of which are included in the book. Hoyle brought his experience and knowledge as the Director of the Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge, a Fellow of the Royal Society into the book. Hoyle was also responsible for the term "Big Bang", though Hoyle himself did not believe the Big Bang theory. In a plot twist that would foreshadow Hoyle's stance on panspermia, the cloud expresses surprise that intelligent life is capable of forming on planets.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 9, 2013 - 11:17am PT
Interesting little update article on the latest in resveratrol activation of SIRT 1.
Plenty of recent anti-aging research has concentrated on substances that optimize and preserves mitochondrial function in cells.

Here is more on the human Y chromosome lineage discovery:


Originally, a DNA sample obtained from an African American living in South Carolina was submitted to the National Geographic Genographic Project. When none of the genetic markers used to assign lineages to known Y chromosome groupings were found, the DNA sample was sent to Family Tree DNA for sequencing. Fernando Mendez, a postdoctoral researcher in Hammer's lab, led the effort to analyze the DNA sequence, which included more than 240,000 base pairs of the Y chromosome.
Hammer said "the most striking feature of this research is that a consumer genetic testing company identified a lineage that didn't fit anywhere on the existing Y chromosome tree, even though the tree had been constructed based on perhaps a half-million individuals or more. Nobody expected to find anything like this."

The National Geographic Genographic Project has been responsible for some great work in human genetics over the last several years . This is the group Spencer Wells is associated with.


Social climber
An Oil Field
Mar 9, 2013 - 11:25am PT
Many scientists love science fiction. The movies usually totally suck, but the books are often very good and fun reads. I pulled out some of my old classics that I read as a kid recently, and they were great.

My sister sent off her DNA to one of those companies that tracks your genes and gives you a list of where your ancestors were from. I am not sure how accurate they are, but it was fun.
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