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Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Mar 6, 2013 - 09:32am PT
And, the executive functions or supervisory attentional system aren't 'designed' to easily relinquish control because they are after all, you.

In a psychological sense, but not in a deeper sense. The "I" or me is provisional. We are at base no thing at all.

JL

Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Mar 6, 2013 - 09:37am PT
Ed said: The "objective reality" doesn't seem to be obvious. The dividing line seems to be running all over the place.



The dividing line between objective and subjective is actually the seamless traversing of the mind going between out there and in here, between the rational mind objectifying and the subjective person experiencing, between consciousness and dreamless sleep. Try and find an edge between thoughts, or see where they come from as they emerge. Or where they go. See if yo can track the line between being awake and being asleep. The line is very fluid, and might not be a line at all, IME.

JL
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Mar 6, 2013 - 09:49am PT
Which is the true reality in eKat's magnificent photo below?

Well. . . let me tell you. . . my reality, here, is. . . just this morning, out of the frikken blue, I got a metal image of this old photo and decided to post it up on a photo thread.

THEN, for some trippy reason, I clicked into this thread. . . I have NEVER been to this thread. . . and BAM! There's this photo.

?

You posted it up BEFORE I did.

I love this kind of stuff.

?
MH2

climber
Mar 6, 2013 - 09:54am PT
Yes, why do we not remember the future?
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Mar 6, 2013 - 11:34am PT
El camino al cielo.
El camino al cielo.
Credit: Facebook
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Mar 6, 2013 - 11:49am PT
This goes back a year, but you can be both subjective and objective at the same time.

It is easy to be subjective. It is the natural condition. Being objective requires training, just like the zendo.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 6, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
Which is the true reality in eKat's magnificent photo below?

What is the true reality? I think one could put there finger on that fairly easily. What are you driving at anyway - you mean to say a reflection dosn't have an explanation in reality or something?

How about this..... what makes it magnificent? Is magnificence any less or more a reality than something that dosn't prompt a "sense of magnificence"? Can magnificence be explained or described objectively? I suppose if it can as a process of chemical and electronic effects it could.
Would that make it any less "magnificent"?

Cool pic by the way E Kat! It appeals to our innate affinity for symmetry, which can be explained by..... oh forget it. Cool pic!
WBraun

climber
Mar 6, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
oh forget it

LOL

But just see how your mind was running.

And then what Base104 said; "Being objective requires training ..."

If you think it's the reflection you're wrong.

If you think is the the non reflection you're wrong.

What is the reality?

Thus the statement; "The scientist is always more important than the science."

It's not an easy answer.

Some require thousands of lifetimes to even begin to understand .......
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Mar 6, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
It is easy to be subjective. It is the natural condition.


Everyone has personal or subjective experience, since experience itself requires a subject. Where people get lost is in believing that the only way to understand this experience, or what is happening in your life, is through trying to objectify it with our evaluating mind. The real exploration begins once this mind becomes just another data stream in consciousness that you move neither toward or away from.

That takes a LOT of practice, at least it did for me, and it is never easy.

JL
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 6, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Any way you shake a stick at it that picture is a reality.


But just see how your mind was running.


I did a cool route at red rocks once that was called Running Mind.... or something. Good enough for me.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 6, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
[quote]A study published today found that Capuchin monkeys are biased against selfish humans. They will actively avoid accepting favors from individuals they have noticed refusing aid to others in the past.

More information: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=monkeys-stay-away-from-mean-people[/quote]

Credit: TomCochrane

WBraun

climber
Mar 6, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
Any way you shake a stick at it that picture is a reality.

Modern science teaches that matter is the basis of reality.

That is impersonalism, voidism, and nilhisim.

Thus you you don't exist ultimately.

But that's not true reality ........
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Is this real, or part of the "Matrix"?
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 6, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
Credit: TomCochrane
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 6, 2013 - 02:48pm PT

A recent study found that bottlenose dolphins call out the name of specific loved ones when they become separated.



Read the article: http://www.oneworldoneocean.com/blog/entry/dolphins_call_each_other_by_name#.UTfHXzfur-5

Photo by MacGillivray Freeman. with Xtina Bear and Elbert Trias.


Credit: TomCochrane
MH2

climber
Mar 6, 2013 - 02:49pm PT

JL:

We are at base no thing at all.


WB:

Thus you you don't exist ultimately.



Nice to see some agreement, here.
WBraun

climber
Mar 6, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
I don't agree to impersonalism.

Every individual has personality.

No two snow flakes are ever the same pattern.

Not that one merges into the impersonal void.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 6, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
This reality is probably like Hilbert space

Here we go again, using big words. Care to speculate on what the vector space consists of or what the inner product is? Are you sure your space is complete?


;>\
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 6, 2013 - 04:44pm PT
Here we go again, using big words.


Well I was going to say "Reality is more like a really nice Les Terrasses 2004 Priorat" so I could play with the real big boys....... but then I realized I don't know wine any better than Space Cowboy stuff.

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