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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Ive been to "church of the blu grouse",,"Church of the Antelope",,"church of the crows",, "Church of the golden trout",, and many other churches. Enjoyed them all and gave thanks in prayer.
WBraun

climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
Only a sterile person thinks they can quantify everything and anything ......
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Apr 7, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
MH2

climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
Looks like letting go may mean different things to different people.


Me? If someone tells me to not do some task I will be likely to oblige.


Hakuna Shida

Things will happen in their own good time.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Apr 7, 2013 - 04:56pm PT



 1:09 forward….Some Truth


Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Apr 7, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
From a web site:

The ancient Indian astronomer, Aryabhatta, invented the number 0 (zero ). This symbolizes the notion of Perfectness & Nothingness ( No ending - No Beginning ). This could be well supported even by the shape of the number - 0 - where there is no ending or beginning.

When anything is Perfect, nothing needs to be done about it. But, when there is nothing - nothing can be done about it. Under these circumstances, everything is reduced into a dormant state, absolutely, no movement of any sort, and this is what we term "SHUNYA" - All the beings in the Universe are trying to achieve this state. But attaining the state of Nothingness (Shunya) or perfectness may be theoretically possible, it is a practical impossibility.

Thermodynamics state that absolute zero is impossible, due to its quantum mechanical zero-point energy. And it's impossible to remove the kinetic energy of its ground state. Of course the laws of thermodynamics are
uniformally flawed, especially per the law of entropy. Nevertheless, in the material realm, absolute zero cannot be attained using only thermodynamic means. (Read on from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero). However in the being sphere, no-thing is the limit.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Apr 7, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
The boat is the best I can do with what my old cranky body can handle. I have a big chunk of exotic metals in my upper tibia. Nothing to do. The bone up and died on me, but I figure that I got my money out of it.

Aren't there any of you who just can't function without a periodic dose of adventure? That is where I find my spot of no-thing. Total clarity. It is fleeting, but I think I know what you are saying. Absence of conscious thought. I know a little about that.

I get cranky if they don't let me out every now and then for a few months. Most years I take off for a few months and go do something. I don't even tell people what I'm up to anymore. They are all getting gray hair and worry about the stock market. My goals are to ease into a simple and inexpensive life. Hopefully I won't fall and brake an ankle. That would tie me to the post for longer than I'd like.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 7, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
To Do or Not To Do?

Seems like life is more fun and exciting when we do things with as little knowledge as possible. Take for instance a ground-up first accent. Even the seasoned veteran gets those warm and fuzzy feelings. Just the idea of a fresh new line invokes the sensation of mystery, and adventure. In the actual act of hiking to the base, one must subdue the emotional
drama that arises from his conscious. The excitement of the precieved glory from peers
if the line is a success. The nervousness in wondering if you've addiquitly prepared. The
fear of tragedy because you might be in over ur head. We don't stop in our tracks and
try to resolve such feelings. Instead we look to the environment and search for something to see that causes a new feeling to erupt. Like a pretty flower, or a golden eagle or a great granite massive. Happily we march on. Finally we get to the base, rack up, and start climbing.
Bewildered, in the act of the unknown, is where I've always felt the most comfortable. The MOST alive! Not knowing what was only 5 feet ahead of me. Not knowing the rte was only 5.9
and I could cruise. The only thing I can be sure of, is my experience. The sum of all my climbing experiences prior. Which exudes confidence. Which exudes a positive outlook.

I remember back when CMac came out with his first BigWalls SuperTopo. Brad Jarret
and I looked through the thing and just laaaughed. Wondering why anyone would want this much info about climbing.
Cheers!
jogill

climber
Colorado
Apr 7, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
Saw-toothed functions
Saw-toothed functions
Credit: jogill

A little divertissement: here is a graph of the interval [0,1] representing one inch. I won’t bother with the formulae, but there is a sequence of these saw-toothed paths that grow uniformly closer to the line [0,1] as one divides the interval into n subintervals, each of length 1/n inches. Think of the graphing action to take one second for each path.

These paths grow longer with increasing n even though they are constrained to this interval. How large can we make n ? Assume that Planck distance is the minimum that can be measured, or if you like the absolute minimum distance, period. Then increasing n eventually takes us to this limit for the subintervals 1/n. If we don't constrain n, the hypothetical unfolded length of the path increases without bound.

Under the constraint, however, think of the saw-toothed path as being a very thin inelastic string. We could stretch it out and attach one end to the Statue of Liberty in NYC, and the other end to the Golden Gate Bridge in SF. I think we are safely within Planck time for the process.

Leaving it as it is, however, the image at virtually any power of magnification would show the path to be a straight line connecting 0 to 1 (inch).

There’s nothing particularly mystical about the number 0. In computer design it simply denotes the state of a switch: 1 = on and 0 = off.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 7, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
^^^^All scientific experiments and human experiences happen over billions of billions of billions of Planck times, making any events happening at the Planck scale hard to detect.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Apr 7, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Of course the laws of thermodynamics are uniformally[sic] flawed, especially per the law of entropy
Explain. Show your work. References are required.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
I think letting go is the gutsiest thing any person can do. That's what I meant to communicate. When one lets go (AA, born again Christians, some spiritual practitioners, folks who have been bended to kowtow by the universe), then all those paradoxes, stories, weird incommensurabilities,

I disagree, that's when the mind is most vulnerable to believing anything that aids in healing, It's referred to as "Crisis Management",
and it is very typical for pre-born agains to go through some crisis, and use Crisis Management to get through it (and like everyone, they will get through no matter what they do), no matter what God they say they believe in, or if they use the word Santa Claus instead, they will say that Santa Claus (spaghetti monster) miraculously saved them from their impending doom, Praise the Lord.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
Ward
You should post on the Republican thread, we will discuss your concerns there
and keep this thread free of right wing theology

I often wonder about the fear of socialism

Will it ever take over our Nation??
Are you F-ing crazy, No, there is no switch that someone can flick and turn the Nation into a complete socialism nor communism

It will always be the same, mainly Capitalism with the Commons provided by mostly socialism, and that is where the crux lies
Republicans want to privatise the commons to make money on it, even though they say it won't cost more, it is a proven fact that It will cost more.

Democrats and liberals want a strong Gov. that socializes the commons so they are less expensive, safer, and accountable through elections.

Just like we will never become a Christian Nation and governed by biblical law, nor Sharia law, nor communism,
what we are really fighting is the constantly growing Fascism, where the right wing players in the Government are in for the money, and Government is all about making money, and about keeping the people in fear for their low paying jobs.. blah blah blah
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Drf
(and like everyone, they will get through no matter what they do), no matter what God they say they believe in,

You are correct when referring to newborns. And even to anyone who has never heard the name Jesus. But once you have heard the name Jesus and His directness to God. It is
YOUR responsibility to understand.


Edit:
Ward, You should post on the Republican thread

Yea Ward!... But if ur look'in for life everlasting, hang out
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
Me, along with several Billion others have heard the name Jesus
and it didn't do a thing for us, and no matter how hard we try to believe in Jesus, nothing will change for us.

apparently only some people are gullible enough for the name Jesus to have an effect, I think some study has been able to pinpoint the exact percentage of any population of humans that have that attribute, they will believe in Jesus, Santa Claus, or Zeus, just tell them which God (any of the 1000s) is in charge, and that's all they need to know.


and no, I am not referring to newborns
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
attribute
Nope. It's the altitude of ur attitudeˇ
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
Weekend Flowers
Blossfeldia subterraniae
Credit: Dr. F.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
Are you F-ing crazy, No, there is no switch that someone can flick and turn the Nation into a complete socialism nor communism

It will always be the same, mainly Capitalism with the Commons provided by mostly socialism, and that is where the crux lies
Republicans want to privatise the commons to make money on it, even though they say it won't cost more, it is a proven fact that It will cost more.

Democrats and liberals want a strong Gov. that socializes the commons so they are less expensive, safer, and accountable through elections.

Just like we will never become a Christian Nation and governed by biblical law, nor Sharia law, nor communism,
what we are really fighting is the constantly growing Fascism, where the right wing players in the Government are in for the money, and Government is all about making money, and about keeping the people in fear for their low paying jobs.. blah blah blah

I won't get into a prolonged political discussion, on this thread or any other thread on this forum. I do that on political debate forums elsewhere.
Your comments I have cited above would probably get ignored on such forums.( And yes, they are populated by totalitarian socialists. There is even one individual who routinely argues for the 'liberation' of man/boy pedophilia...much to everyone's disgust, and anger.)

Don't take this personal.
But the lay of the land around these parts is not very salubrious for political conservatives or political agnostics.
Thanks but no thanks.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Apr 8, 2013 - 12:21am PT
"atomic scales" and "Planck scales" are quite different, and the terminology is confusing...

oh oh . . . wrong unit.

At least this brief respite allowed rational discussion for a change.
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Apr 8, 2013 - 12:32am PT
Jogill: In computer design it simply denotes the state of a switch: 1 = on and 0 = off.

I rather like that idea--it's elegant, although I question any referent in reality.

Dr. F.: I disagree, that's when the mind is most vulnerable to believing anything that aids in healing, It's referred to as "Crisis Management", and it is very typical for pre-born agains to go through some crisis, and use Crisis Management to get through it (and like everyone, they will get through no matter what they do), no matter what God they say they believe in . . . .

To learn anything, one must first be confused. If you believe you have nothing to learn, indeed you will learn nothing. You must first have questions. The bigger the questions or confusion (even a crisis), the bigger the potential learning. Learning IS healing. It needn't have to do anything with "God" . . . or, what the hell, it could.

Dr. F. again: no matter how hard we try to believe in Jesus, nothing will change for us.

You cannot say that for others' minds, hearts, or souls. You can only say that for yourself. I'd say that IF that is your belief, that is exactly what you will experience. On the other hand, if your belief in Jesus were absolute, then perhaps everything could change for you. You're not there.

The world you live in is of your own making.

:-)

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