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High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Apr 6, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
I've never understood leftists who shun Dawkins for saying mean things about Islamists, but stay quiet over such things as this:

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/thousands-bangladesh-islamists-rally-against-atheist-bloggers

But thank goodness times are changing.
MH2

climber
Apr 6, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
BLUEBLOCR,

I write because I was taught how at the Thomas Alva Edison elementary school in Oklahoma City. I'm not sure if I could have invented it on my own.


As for what I write, it's just stuff I want to say, same as anyone else here.



I learn from other posts and I point out things I like, such as Tami Knight's:

Duzzn't matter if you believe in virgins giving birth, guys being air-lifted to heaven, fairies, Fukushima sending us cancer, your cat being tuned to HAARP, Marilyn Monroe murdered because of Bobby, what the CIA does and doesn't do, COINTEL, counterCOINTEL, lizards, farts, and boogers.

Just be a good person.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Apr 6, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
An Okie? Dude. We have to stick together. You know how those Californians are. Did you start climbing here?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Apr 6, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
I just posted some plain old info on the Climate Change thread. Within two posts I was called "arrogant."

That is pretty funny. Ed is over there, too.

This thread is incredibly polite as far as internet discussions go.

So lets say that I want to start meditating as a way to mellow out, clear my mind for the day, and help my concentration. What is the best way to go about that?

I'm trapped in the OKC area, but we do have a fairly large oriental group. Lots of Vietnamese.

I never said that meditation wasn't real. It has been observed and studied. It isn't necessarily at odds with a scientific view or background.

In other words, it doesn't have to be religion. I'm getting pretty tired of religion. I do get stressed out from working 24/7.

JL is going to need to write the next Great American Novel to pay for his medical bills. It cost's more to stay in a hospital bed than it does to stay in the penthouse at the most expensive hotel on Earth.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 6, 2013 - 02:14pm PT



Glacial ice in the Peruvian Andes that took at least 1,600 years to form has melted in just 25 years, scientists reported Thursday, the latest indication that the recent spike in global temperatures has thrown the natural world out of balance.



The evidence comes from a remarkable find at the margins of the Quelccaya ice cap in Peru, the world’s largest tropical ice sheet. Rapid melting there in the modern era is uncovering plants that were locked in a deep freeze when the glacier advanced many thousands of years ago.

Dating of those plants, using a radioactive form of carbon in the plant tissues that decays at a known rate, has given scientists an unusually precise method of determining the history of the ice sheet’s margins.

Lonnie G. Thompson, the Ohio State University glaciologist whose team has worked intermittently on the Quelccaya ice cap for decades, reported the findings in a paper released online Thursday by the journal Science.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/world/americas/1600-years-of-ice-in-perus-andes-melted-in-25-years-scientists-say.html?_r=0

MH2

climber
Apr 6, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
BASE,

We all stumble to different drums. It seems likely that you already know what kind of meditative experience is best for you; being out in the wilderness on your own.

Nature is being marketed to hospitalized people, too. I kind of like it.


http://vimeo.com/40663278
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 6, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
Thanks Mh2, no rude crudeness directed from here. Jus requesting stimuli.
I sincerely enjoy ur posts!

Base, I practice Tai Chi. One thing I've got is it's herd to meditate while standing in line at
Circle K. I mean environment is everything. You want a place with NO distractions.
Especially no sounds. You wanna clear your mind of all thoughts. When you have one
welcome it in, make it happy, and usher it out closing the door behind it. Then return to
your empty room. In Tai Chi we stand with feet shoulder width, knees slightly bent.
Upper body erect. Now very relaxed hold ur hands in front of your navel pretending
to hold a volleyball. The is to eliminate all awareness other than the energy between
your two palms. Relaxed eyes, relaxed breathing, tongue on the roof of ur mouth.
Practice rolling the ball around between ur hands. Changing the ball size from a softball
to a basketball. Easy, SLOWLY, withou effort. Let the energy between your hands
move ur ball. It takes a nothingness in the mind to be able to feel the energy.
You can also stand with palms pointing inward, pretending to hug a two foot diameter tree.

I have a wonderful book called Iron Shirt Chi Kung, written by Mantak Chia. It's Awesome!
It's helped my climbing more than any other discelpline.
Good Luck!
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Apr 6, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
JL is going to need to write the next Great American Novel to pay for his medical bills. It cost's more to stay in a hospital bed than it does to stay in the penthouse at the most expensive hotel on Earth.


1.24 million WITH insurance. But that's at UCLA, and I was there for 37 days and five operations - a crack crew, for sure. I handed the whole thing over to my attorney. It's about the only time I wished that I wasn't American, and was somewhere (everywhere but here) they has Universal Health Care.

JL
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Apr 6, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
Nope! But my soul is infinitely more special than all the matter in the universe..

 Pretentious and self important.


And so is urs!


 Please, you don't need to apply your beliefs on anyone but yourself. Just like a christian… they like to do mental masturbation then spear a little of it on everyone else.


When I say mental masturbation, I really mean it. What else is it when something you think makes you feel good about yourself when all by yourself?

Can your idea of "I am special" hold up alone on an Island.

Where will that get you? You've got a shelter to build and food to catch and eat?



Second Thought Edit:
Nope! But my soul is infinitely more special than all the matter in the universe..

 You have to imagine this… this guys non-existing human constructed imaginary thing is more special than everything else….

And this is supposed to apply to all humans…..?


One thing…. Would your soul (that imaginary thing) even exist without the simplicity and near irrelevancy of the sun?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 6, 2013 - 04:12pm PT

Can your idea of "I am special" hold up alone on an Island.

Would I have my Bible? If I did then I would have the consciousness and the history
of mankind and his triumph over oppression and segregation. All the worlds leaders
(bad and good) have looked to the Bible to understand man. And to find statigies
for overcoming adversity in the face of hopelessness.
And I certainly wouldn't be lonely having Gods words of comfort and His promise of salvation.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 6, 2013 - 04:35pm PT

One thing…. Would your soul (that imaginary thing) even exist without the simplicity and near irrelevancy of the sun?

Just like the Sun. It's "special" because it emits Sunshine. If it stopped shinning, it wouldn't
be very special. Just a ball of dead matter.

The Soul IS the life of the body. And without it the body is dead. I know the body is the MOST
Increadablely technical invention on the planet. Maybe the universe. So for me having the gift
of occupying and being in charge of one of these body's. It makes the "me" of this body
feel pretty Special that God handed me the keys to this machine!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 6, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
All the worlds leaders
(bad and good) have looked to the Bible to understand man

no offense Blue, but that is just a ridiculously wrong assumption on your part

the "world" is overwhelmingly NON-Christian

ever heard of religions and their "leaders" such as:

Buddhism
Confucianism
Hinduism
Islam
Janism
Judaism
Paganism
Sikhism
Shintoism
Taoism
Zoroastrianism



you see Blue, just because you personally are a Christian, it does not follow that everyone else is

hard to accept, but yeah, it's true
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Apr 6, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
But my soul is infinitely more special than all the matter in the universe..

Would I have my Bible?

 Which one is it? Your soul and the souls of everyone in this world are super special? Or you need your bible in order to feel like you are special? Not to mention… the bible… isn't it made out of "matter in the universe"?… You're suggesting that you are more "special" than the bible

Sounds to me like a crutch.

But then again, what can you do if you don't really think the things you spout and every word you write clearly indicate the opposite of what you claim.


Like any christian… it sounds good on the surface… but upon any further thought it doesn't hold water.



Norton Edit:
no offense Blue, but that is just a ridiculously wrong assumption on your part


 There have been many assumptions being made by this confused writer… Thank you for calling it out.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Apr 6, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
Confusion signifies ferment and growth, so don't knock confusion. Minds set in stone are the real problem.

Mantak Chia is a favorite of mine too blue. I have a lot of his posters showing the acupuncture meridians and chakras that I show my classes. Did you ever read his books on tantric sex? When I want to shake my students out of their lethargy, I make them read Chia and consider sex as a time honored spiritual path.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 6, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
Yea the "book" is a crutch, to help me through the passages I've not yet memorized.
But the meanings through the words are spiritual, and add to my consciousness.

Just like what you and I have learned about Abraham Lincoln. Our lives today are partly
forged by what he did hundreds of years ago. Even though we weren't there to witness it.
What we've read, and heard through folklore, is our conscious awareness of his acts.


BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 6, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
Hi Jan
Did you ever read his books on tantric sex?

No I've kindda been afraid of that one, since I havnt had a steady gal in a while.. LOL!
But i do have 3 of Chia's books. And I condone them immensely! I first picked one up
back in 98' it imediately changed the way I climbed. They've brought me sooo much
Awareness of movement and breathing. It's helped me in all aspects of physical life.
Down to walking! I think it should be taught in our schools.
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Apr 6, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
I want to start meditating as a way to mellow out, clear my mind for the day, and help my concentration.

For what? To get things done in the world? To manipulate things? So that you can achieve more of what you want? So that you can be a better person?

Wrong tool. This particular tool if properly applied and taken to the end of the line will obviate, obliterate, and even deny their very existence. You're looking for emptiness, and it's all around you. It's nothing.

I think drugs are in order for you. I have all sorts of acquaintances, friends, are lovers who are using them to good effect (I'm told). I have a sister who's a shrink, and she is very respectful of the managed use of drugs. Alcohol, taken prudently, is pretty good for mild anxiety.



Rock on, Blu. Tai Chi is great. (That was a nice description as way of introduction.) And although the Bible is not my guide or benchmark, I think you're plugged in, dude. Don't take this poorly, but you remind me of some of Shakespeare's fools.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 6, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
For those of you interested in meditation, here are some things a few researchers have discovered:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/search/?keyword=Meditation
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Apr 6, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
Now Mike. We have talked before.

Don't put words into my mouth. Please.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 6, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
Thanks MikeL! Complements are hard to come by around here..
So right back at ya!

The Fool knows that the only true madness is to recognize this world as rational
^Shakespeare

Takes one to know one,, Eah?
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