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Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 12, 2013 - 11:42am PT


Always a clear line or two from Mr. Carlin
jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 12, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
True fructose, the really great scientists and mathemeticians used/use both halves of their brain. That's why they're great instead of merely competent

I personally don't see referring to someone as competent as an insult? Sorry if it was perceived that way

You are saying they are great because they use both sides of their brains, with the implication the merely competent don't. I am saying all of us foot soldiers in the scientific ranks use both sides of our brains . . . just not as effectively as the great ones!

From your description of your exposure to math I can see how you might think this. Unfortunate. Modern physics and perhaps some other scientific disciplines are becoming more and more mathematical and the math employed is pretty sophisticated stuff . . . much of it at an abstract level using concepts generalized from 18th and 19th century material.

In my own area, "soft" analysis (modern) vs "hard" analysis (old). These descriptors do not imply that "soft" is easy to comprehend, just the opposite in fact. "Hard" refers to the nitty-gritty kinds of things the masters of yesteryears toiled over - sometimes very complicated stuff in the spirit of traditional calculus. Although I studied SA years ago, my research interests (very minor topics) have been along the lines of the older hard-core stuff using traditional convergence/divergence criteria.

I don't feel competent to discuss the social sciences, but I do enjoy your contributions when they coincide with your academic interests. Quite illuminating.

;>)
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Feb 12, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
Modern physics and perhaps some other scientific disciplines are becoming more and more mathematical and the math employed is pretty sophisticated stuff .

Hey, I have a feeling you kick ass in laplace transforms. I'm embarrassed that I only know 5%, if that, of what I used to know of them where they are a staple in my former professsion of systems control engineering. Those were the days, 25 years ago!

But systems was my bridge between control in electromechanical systems and control in bioengineering systems (e.g., neuroscience and endocrinology) so for this I'll always have respect for sc engineering. Laplace Transforms, too!

.....

Would you believe (a) Lawrence Krauss at Davos (!!) and (b) the title of this forum. (!!)



The wind of change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ejQyPFDUUg
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
go-B, WOW!

That was a wonderful last post!!

I read ALL of your posts. Your use of the scriptures to answer questions is excellent!
Your always spot on!

Keep up the good work!

Jus Praz'in
BB


Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
That's it Goobers, you're cut off

No more Cut and pastes

if you type in every word, like Jesus wants
then it's ok
for as long of a post as you want.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
it is not unusual for people to become students to teachers in order to learn something... I don't see how that is wrong. if I want to learn meditation or yoga or physics, I go to a place where there are people who do that and I start to figure it out... there may be formal teaching or informal teaching, but there is a dichotomy setup between novices and experts and a hierarchy which defines the scale from novice to expert.
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This is precisely where the practice meets the road, as in rubber meets the road. In many practices or walks of life a paradox is seen as a default position or a weigh station till you can get the next crucial bit of information or teaching. In spiritual practices, what you "learn" is to give up striving after something you need to or have to learn. Otherwise it becomes a mental exercise of acquiring this or that and you never get out of the loop. Spirituality is an exercise in being, where things gets progressively clear as your evaluating mind gets less and less engaged in "learning" or grasping after what it thinks that it needs.

For instance, Fruity believes that if he can program and orient himself with the best data, inputting just the right shizzle just so - said shizzle being information - his behavior will necessarily conform and evolve in accordance with said knowledge. What's he's not understanding is that behavior is mostly driven by much more primitive drivers than neocortex content (ideas, beliefs, etc). You have to get down to the level of feelings and instincts to change big time, and you do that most effectively by way of contrary actions, by taking actions that might go against what you feel and how you feel. Your inner stat and understanding will follow. Working the in the other direction bears little fruit.

JL
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
JL, how do you know what feelings and instincts to follow, do we all just make our own choice?
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
I will answer that
Yes, we all make our own choice.

At least Largo and me
we do have that in common

I'm not sure about some people
WBraun

climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
Free will, own choice ......
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
How do we know if we are right, or does it matter?
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
Free will?

Has it ever been observed in Humans
Yes
WBraun

climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Measure against "The Standard" to see if you're right .....
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
BINGO!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
How do we know if we are right, or does it matter?
Go-be

No, it doesn't matter

That is a fact..
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
We have to live with each other, that's why we have the Police,
There is a higher way to love your neighbor as yourself...
MH2

climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
How do we know if we are right


Your posts continue to show on SuperTopo.

Same way we know you are wrong.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
We have to live with each other, that's why we have the Police,





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I know you like to simplify things but I'm quite sure there is more to it than that!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
It doesn't matter if you are right

but it's better to be right than wrong in some esoteric way I suppose
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
What's he's not understanding is that behavior is mostly driven by much more primitive drivers than neocortex content (ideas, beliefs, etc). You have to get down to the level of feelings and instincts to change big time, and you do that most effectively by way of contrary actions, by taking actions that might go against what you feel and how you feel. Your inner stat and understanding will follow. Working the in the other direction bears little fruit.

Ah! so thats why all neo- nazis are closet queers. they're just getting their yin on with their yang.
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