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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 21, 2013 - 02:35am PT
Mindfulness.
I think if you live by the mind, you'll die by the mind.
Our Creator endowed us in its image. We all ARE "Creator"s.
Proof: Look down at your chest. Count your breaths. Now consciencely
speed it up, or slow it down. You have just manipulated the Universe.
What you decide to spit out on your next breathe, is YOUR contribution
(creation) to the universe.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 21, 2013 - 03:03am PT
and then,
"Zen and the art of Mind (Motorcycle) Matinence"
I read that book in 85' I think when iwas in jail. It made a Big difference in my thinking at the time. What I've learned since, is meditation has EVERYTHING to do with vibration, resonance. Saying the word "OHM" over and over requires your breathing to resonate
your body/breathing vibration to a critical speed. Slower, and controlled. Giving your
conscience power over your mind and creation.

Edit: on the verge, but not quite Spiritualism.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 21, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
Sugar, not fat, exposed as deadly villain in obesity epidemic, but nearly impossible to get the message through because of the sugar industries.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/20/sugar-deadly-obesity-epidemic
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 21, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
Sugar, not fat, exposed as deadly villain in obesity epidemic

Remember its not just sugar , it's an over-consumption of high glycemic carbohydrates in general, including white flour products .
These foods and others high on the glycemic index raise levels of glucose in the blood relatively rapidly causing what is known as systemic inflammation.
A diet high in processed carbs leads to syndrome X , or 'metabolic syndrome '- insulin resistance, obesity, the ubiquitous and characteristic pot belly .
It's getting rarer to see individuals , especially over the age of 30, who are not suffering from diet- caused syndrome x. (Lack of exercise and activity also play a part)

As duplicitous as elements in the food industry have been in this dietary Armageddon , it would be incorrect to blame them entirely.
What you put into your own mouth is up to you and your brains ability to discern what is good for you and what is not, based upon the evidence at hand and the obvious outcomes.
If you are only concerned with foods that give you a buzz ,without considering the profound effects involved, then you have chosen a path that is yours to follow. You have chosen what is now being referred to as SAD: the Standard American Diet.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 21, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
Gobee left?

since when?

I thought he said not that long ago that he felt good about posting and would continue

have you talked with him and know otherwise, Blue?
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 21, 2013 - 06:16pm PT
Ward Trotter

No, the sugar industry is not more to blame than the tobacco industry was for smoking, but that should be more than enough. How can a child choose?

From the article:

"Sugar given to children by adults, lacing our breakfast cereals and a major part of our fizzy drinks is the real villain in the obesity epidemic, and not fat as people used to think, according to a leading US doctor who is taking on governments and the food industry."

"Lustig says he has been under attack from the food industry, but claims they have not managed to fault the science. "The food industry wants to misinterpret because they want to discredit me. They want to paint me as this zealot. They want to paint me as somebody who doesn't have the science. But we do," he says.

Evidence of dietary effects on the body is very hard to collect. People habitually lie in food diaries or forget what they ate. Randomised controlled trials are impossible because everyone reverts to a more normal eating pattern after a couple of months. But his sugar argument is more than hypothesis, he says, citing a recent study in the open journal Plos One, of which he was one of the authors. It found that in countries where people had greater access to sugar, there were higher levels of diabetes. Rates of diabetes went up by about 1.1% for every 150 kcal of sugar available for each person each day about the amount in a can of Coke. Critics argued sugar availability was not the same as sugar consumed, but Lustig and his colleagues say it is the closest approximation they could get.

That study was aimed at the World Health Organisation although he believes it is a conflicted organisation.

But so is the US government, he says. "Government has tied its wagon to the food industry because, at least in America, 6% of our exports are food. That includes the legislative and executive branches. So the White House is in bed with the food industry and Congress apologises for the food industry."

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 21, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
No, the sugar industry is not more to blame than the tobacco industry was for smoking, but that should be more than enough. How can a child choose?

People choose to eat what they want to eat. In the case of children it is there parents or caretakers who are making those decisions. This is unfortunate when they make the wrong decisions. It is not possible to intercede in every families' cultural and dietary choices. To attempt to do so would be totalitarian.
You do not have to recite all the other information, I am quite aware of the injurious effects of sugar consumption. Remember, we are talking about the health effects of high glycemic carbs, not just sugar alone.
As I have outlined above ,it is the capacity of high glycemic carbs, like sugar, to cause systemic inflammation, and ultimately insulin resistance. This is indicated by the Glycemic Index of a particular food.

When you are talking about the ill-effects of these types of food you are not just talking about one industry. You are not just talking about one type of food, you are talking about an entire class of food.
People like these foods. They are going to eat them despite the outcomes. Taking them away by beating the drums of righteousness is not going to change a thing.
Vilifying a particular food industry by singling them out is counterproductive, no matter how duplicitous they have hitherto been.
The next logical step would be to make sugar illegal, like a hard drug. That is nanny-like and totalitarian. And stupid.

The best that can be hoped for is the current ,on-going broad- based education to inform people of the consequences of dietary choices and leave it up to their own good sense and responsibility- rather than curtailing their freedom to eat what foods they want, or in demonizing the industries that provide those foods.
I don't even think the North Koreans, currently the world's most Orwellian state, tries to tell their people what to eat. ( although their totalitarian policies have resulted in massive food shortages from time to time).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0004546/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 21, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
As I have outlined above ,it is the capacity of high glycemic carbs, like sugar, to cause systemic inflammation, and ultimately insulin resistance. This is indicated by the Glycemic Index of a particular food

Wow. Scary stuff. Guess I'd better cut back on the 5 tablespoons of sugar in my morning coffee!


;>)
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 21, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Wow. Scary stuff. Guess I'd better cut back on the 5 tablespoons of sugar in my morning coffee!

I left out AGEs. : Advanced Glycation End- Products.

Due to aging, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, etc. if your body becomes insulin resistant then your cells cannot take -in the glucose. These glucose molecules, with no where to go, circulate around and start attaching themselves to protein structures. This is a process known as 'glycation' in which the proteins are damaged by the sugar molecules.
Glycation also occurs a result of normal metabolism. Your body can deal with it by the production of carnosine , certain vitamins, and other protective mechanisms .When the presence of sugars become elevated , due to the factors I've referenced, then the damage accelerates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_glycation_end-product

Potential therapeutic interventions

AGEs are the subject of ongoing research. There are three therapeutic approaches: preventing the formation of AGEs, breaking AGE crosslinks after they are formed, and preventing negative effects of AGEs.
Compounds that are thought to inhibit AGE formation, at least in vitro, include Vitamin_C,[28] benfotiamine, pyridoxamine, alpha-lipoic acid,[29] taurine,[30] pimagedine,[31] aspirin,[32][33] carnosine,[34] metformin,[35] pioglitazone,[35] and pentoxifylline.[35]
Compounds that may prevent negative effects of AGEs, at least in vitro, include resveratrol.[36]
Compounds that are thought to break some existing AGE crosslinks include Alagebrium (and related compounds ALT-462; ALT-486; ALT-946)[37] and N-phenacyl thiazolium bromide.[38]
However, there is no agent known that can break down the most common AGE, glucosepane, which appears 10 to 1000 times more commonly in human tissue than any other cross-linking AGE.[39][40]
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Mar 21, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
Trying to get off the bad carbs, which are in virtually everything I like, is rugged duty, but probably essential. Same goes with the sugar.

Tough to shake those old habits.

JL
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 21, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
Trying to get off the bad carbs, which are in virtually everything I like, is rugged duty, but probably essential. Same goes with the sugar.

If you fail to decrease the bad carbs there are steps you can take to minimize their impact in the interim:
1) eat them with or right after a main meal , to slow down the absorption speed
2) exercise
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
For those of you interested in early human history this could be a major revision for African migration dates:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130322114856.htm
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Mar 22, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
DNA is just a linear algorithm...

DNA is data. Not an algorithm.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 22, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
When a man and woman conjoin their seed to egg. Their personal double Helixes split and fuse together to produce a unique "fingerprint" in DNA for that representing fetus. From day 1,
that fetus is on a pre-scribed linear traverse (provided by the couples genetic heritage), all the way to the end of their pitch. (their coffin).

i guess to sAy, we're born with a "map" to our physical destination.
Question is; does the "map" have our Spiritual and Mindual makeup
interwoven into that matrix of meat. Can we be cursed (predestined) to be hateful and bigots
thru DNA because our Grandfather held these attitudes?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
good questions, Blue


maybe some thread readers familiar with genetics can post up on this
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Mar 22, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
Hatred and bigotry are learned behaviors, Blu. But some types of sociopathy are thought to maybe have biological, though not necessarily genetic, origins.

But back to discussing no-thing-ness, there was just a little get together on that topic, attended by exactly zero Zen masters and, as such, probably a laughable exercise in futility.

In any event, here's the rundown: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2013/03/22/physicists-debate-the-many-varieties-of-nothingness/
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 22, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
This was for Cintune
^^^^^ this is a laughable exercise of HFCS!
Because you can't SEE it with ur eyes does not mean Nnothings there. There's a Quadrillion things between my eyes and my iPhone. And more between me and the moon.

There's no room for Nothing!
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 22, 2013 - 07:40pm PT

among women who know they are pregnant, the rate is 15-20%

There is scientific evidence showing that the hormones fed to cows to promote growth and the production of milk.The hormones turn up in children who eat cereal with milk for breakfast everymorning. Specifically in young girls. Who have been "developing" faster over the past 60 years. Except when the women need to produce milk for their offspring, the milk isnt addiquitly
nutritional. So as the Hospital must add nutrients thru iv.

Could something like this teach the body to protect itself by not procreat'in?
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Mar 22, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Science doesn't look at just what it can see. There are plenty of invisible things that can't be seen, but can still be measured.

Imaginary things can't be either, though.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 22, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
Science doesn't look at just what it can see. There are plenty of invisible things that can't be seen, but can still be measured.

So right on

Yes, it's impossible to measure things that are just imaginary
Write about in a book, and call it fiction
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