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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
I have hypothesized an unorthodox Dog.

I caught a typo for you
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
. There it is folks.

Your honor, I rest my case.

Sit back, relax, and let the abject ugliness of those sentiments soak in.

Dunghole - were you not supposed to go a study some science or something?
Please...for gods sake...go read...


And by the way Skipt Tompson - wern't you banned
I mean I don't care.....but I am not sure about others...

Now....as far as inbreeding....there is still time for you to divorce your sister..
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:28pm PT
ok maybe it was 3 or 4.but i was,look it up.it was near you in Twin Falls
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:31pm PT
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2006/08/inbreeding-among-mormons/

Here is some reading for you Dunghole...
Daddy lied to you...
Sex with your sister is not ok brother..
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

As I feared, his psychological disintegration is preceding at a more or less constant rate.

I can't hate you Mr. Rina, no matter how hard I try, or you try.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
Here is some more Dunghole...
Just so you don't take my word for it..
And no I don't expect you to understand the ramifications of this....


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1421049/posts


. Amish Plagued By Genetic Disorders KYW.COM ^ | June 8, ,2005 | Vicki Mabrey

Posted on Sat Jun 11 2005 15:55:31 GMT-0500 (CDT) by NYer

It doesn’t get much more peaceful than the simple life among the Amish in rural Ohio. They have no cars, no electricity, no televisions.

But their children have medical conditions so rare, doctors don’t have names for them yet, reports correspondent Vicki Mabrey.

The Amish make up only about 10 percent of the population in Geagua County in Ohio, but they’re half of the special needs cases. Three of the five Miller children, for example, have a mysterious crippling disease that has no name and no known cure.

Their father, Bob Miller, says he realizes there is a crisis in the community, which is why he and two other fathers, Irwin Kuhns and Robert Hershberger, have agreed to break a strict Amish rule that forbids them to appear on camera. The three sat for an informal interview.

The three Byler sisters were all born with a condition that has no cure and mysteriously leads to severe mental retardation and a host of physical problems. Last year, doctors figured out the girls have the gene for something called Cohen Syndrome; there are only 100 known cases worldwide.

Since then, more than a dozen other cases of Cohen’s have been discovered in Ohio Amish country.

“Nobody knew it was around here and we found, what, 20 to 30 cases in this area now that they didn't realize. Nobody knew about it, says Irwin Kuhn.

But for so many years, the Amish have had no names for these disorders. It was simply a mystery why half the headstones in Amish cemeteries were headstones of children.

The genetic problems come down to something called the "founder effect" because the nearly 150,000 Amish in America can trace their roots back to a few hundred German-Swiss settlers who brought the Amish and Mennonite faiths to the United States in the 18th century. Over generations of intermarriage, rare genetic flaws have shown up, flaws which most of us carry within our genetic makeup but which don't show up unless we marry someone else with the same rare genetic markers.

Kuhn and Miller admit these conditions have gotten more widespread in recent years. So much so that concerned families pulled together, held an auction and raised enough to build a clinic within buggy range of all the Amish. They also hired a pediatrician and researcher named Dr. Heng Wang to start caring for their children.

Kuhn’s daughter isn’t doing well at the moment, but now he can take her to the clinic every day, if needed, and the doctor has even made house calls at his home.

While 60 Minutes Wednesday was in Ohio, Dr. Wang made a house call to check on the Miller children. Bobby Junior, the sickest, can’t tell Wang what’s bothering him because he can’t even talk.

And the doctor was treating these challenging cases under the most rudimentary conditions since Amish custom prohibits electricity. Still, he doesn’t complain. In fact, he calls the heritage beautiful and says, “We are not come here to change them.”

Certain homes, like the Miller’s, have taken small steps toward change. Some with lifesaving medical equipment have asked for special dispensation from the Amish bishop to install solar panels to run the machines.

Iva Byler, mother of the three girls with Cohen Syndrome, made an even more drastic change eight years ago, after her third child in a row showed signs of this crippling disorder.

The eldest, Betty Ann, is 24 and functions at a 9-month level. Irma is 21 and functions as a 5-year-old; Linda, at age 18, can’t even sit up.

“I knew as soon as I had the third one, I knew,” she says. “They kept telling me, ‘No, she's OK. No, she wasn't. I could hear by her cry that she was gonna be like the others. Their cry is different. You can tell. After you've lived with it that long, you know.”

Now, when she needs to go to the doctor, she wheels the girls into her van. She’s left buggy rides, and the whole Amish lifestyle, behind. But the price was being shunned forever by the community, as well as her ex-husband and her two healthy adult children.

Irma’s now tuned in to the 20th century, and Iva’s plugged into the 21st. Using a genealogy web site, she’s figured out she and her ex-husband were distantly related, something that appears to be common among the Amish.

“I don't think the Amish really understand that it's a genetic disorder that causes the handicapping condition,” Byler says.

The Amish think it is God’s will; “Gottes Wille” is how they describe it.

Dr. Harold Cross, who’s from an Amish background himself, has heard that for more than 40 years, since he first discovered the high incidence of genetic problems in the Amish in the 1960s.

“Although we used state-of-the-art medical technology and genetics technology at the time,” he says, “we didn't know about the human genome. We weren't able to--to drill down and get to the specific molecular defects. So I always felt like we hadn't finished the job that we had started doing.”

He’s finishing the job now, learning by examining some of the children in Geauga County, Ohio, and teaming up with researchers in a London lab to find the actual genes that are causing the Amish disorders.

“What we're really trying to do eventually by pinning down the mutation is to find some kind of treatment,” he says. “If we can find out what went wrong, we might be able to correct it.”

They’ve already identified genes to several rare conditions, including this debilitating seizure disorder found in only 12 people worldwide, all Amish children.

There are no cures in sight yet, but these doctors are able to offer the next best thing: pre-marital testing, to help future parents avoid these tragedies.

It’s a powerful new tool for the Amish, if they choose to use it.

Despite the illnesses in his family, Miller would not use such tests. “That's our-- our lifestyle is that way. We-- we trust God to take care of that, you know? We just, just the way we—we - live.”

Joyce Brubacker, who comes from the slightly less-orthodox Mennonite faith, says at minimum the Amish and Mennonites should be testing their children as soon as they’re born. That’s what saved her daughter Shayla’s life. After her first child, Monte, died of an unusual-sounding genetic condition called Maple Syrup Urine Disease, Joyce had Shayla tested, and she was positive.

With Maple Syrup Urine Disease, the body turns protein into poison, causing brain damage. Shayla was immediately put on a strict low-protein diet. Now, she’s 20 years old and healthy.

If she had not been tested, Shayla says, “I probably would have been in a coma or died at that point, or had brain swelling which would have took me very dramatic. I mean it would just-- boom, boom, boom and I woulda been dead.”

Right now, the best prevention for many of these mutations is to prevent intermarriage, which is hard to do.

Marrying outside the faith could create a healthier gene pool, but it would also ultimately destroy the very essence of what it means to be Amish.

“I have a son that married a girl, they share the same great-great grandfather,” says Iva Byler. “And when he called me to tell me that he was gonna get married, I said, ‘Do you realize that you already stand a big chance to have a handicapped child since you have three siblings.’ And he says, ‘Yes, I know.’ He got married anyway.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
Its proceeding - PROCEEDING

Go to bed Donald. You're loosing it
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00359580



Are you starting to understand how and why the entire population of some racist, white township in Mississippi can watch FOX News and say " golly, that nigra is a fascist, terrorist, Muslim who wants to destroy our freedoms!"
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
jennie said

"But the concensus among LDS (Mormon) historians is that Joseph Smith did take plural wives although most of his marriages were not consummated in conjugal relations"

And this man proclaimed to have FACE to FACE communications with
Jesus Himself, along with Moses and John. And yet he was still able
to be so misguided.

Not even Mohammed or the Pope ever claimed to see God
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:50pm PT
Its proceeding - PROCEEDING

Don't make me go over all your recent grammatical oversights. They were all too numerous and I thought it would be too transparent and tiresome to constantly point them out.

But you are right ,his mental state is proceeding towards an inevitable and tragic breakdown.

A sure of sign emotional imbalance is the wild-eyed searching through Google for fresh indications of genetic imbalances among people that you are prejudiced and bigoted against.
I wonder...do radical leftists, collectively and individually, have outstanding genetic abnormalities?
LOL

Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
You have written a falsehood my deceitful Jennie - and you did it on purpose by only including a partial quote.

The Mormon Bible goes on to say in the same paragraph that polygamy was ok if commanded by God - which of course Brigam Young and every other psychopath Apostle received all to easily....LOL

The only reason that paragraph is included is because these sick men wanted to keep all the goodies for themselves..



"Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none; For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women.
And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts. Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and aabominations of their bhusbands.

And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

For they shall not lead away captive the daughters of my people because of their tenderness, save I shall visit them with a sore curse, even unto destruction; for they shall not commit awhoredoms, like unto them of old, saith the Lord of Hosts."




Does that make your argument, Riley?

Please show us a passage in the Book of Mormon in which the church faithful took multiple wives....

Not even Lehi, the progenitor of the Book of mormon people was allowed plural wives.


Incidently, Orson Pratt died of diabetes complications...it was his brother who was murdered.

And, contrary to your link...the FLDS are not Mormons. They don't call themselves Mormon and we don't call them such. Only the careless, who are unaware of the distinctions or those wishing to smear FLDS practices on the LDS call them Mormon.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
ok maybe it was 3 or 4.but i was,look it up.it was near you in Twin Falls

O.K. Blue.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:28pm PT
. And, contrary to your link...the FLDS are not Mormons. They don't call themselves Mormon and we don't call them such. Only the careless, who are unaware of the distinctions or those wishing to smear FLDS practices on the LDS call them Mormon re

I stand by what I wrote Jennie - your church might be calling you back for getting busted with a falsehood - you might need some remedial training.
The paragraph does not deny polygamy - it allows it when commanded by god and you left that part out - it was placed in there so the leaders could justify multiple wifes after talking with a superstitious and imaginary spirit - its affect was to prevent the rest of the pathetic followers from taking mutliple wifes or wifes at all - even more despicable as it set up and allowed the authoritarian abuse by Pratt and the rest of the Apostles and the rapes of untold children.
Reminds me of the right of the English Lords to bang the wifes of the Scots first .


.
. Fundamentalist Mormons Members of sects that broke with the LDS Church overthe issue ofpolygamyhave becomeknown as Fundamentalist Mormons, and differ from mainstream Mormonism primarily in their belief in and practice of plural marriage. There are thought tobe between 20,000and60,000members of fundamentalist sects, (0.1–0.4% of Mormons), with roughly half of them practicing polygamy. [111]

There are a numberoffundamentalist sects, the largest two being the FundamentalistChurch ofJesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDSChurch) andthe Apostolic United Brethren (AUB). In addition to plural marriage, some of these groupsalso practice a form of Christian communalism known as the Law of consecration or the United Order. The LDS Church seeks to distance itself from all such polygamous groups, excommunicating theirmembers ifdiscovered, [112] and a majority of Mormon fundamentalists have never been members of the LDS Church. [113]

Liberal Mormons Liberal Mormonstake an interpretive approach to LDS teachings andscripture. They look to the scriptures for spiritualguidance,butdonot necessarilybelieve the teachings tobe literally or uniquely true. Forliberal Mormons,revelationis a process through whichGodgradually brings fallible human beings to greaterunderstanding. [114] Liberal Mormonsplace doing good and loving fellow human beings above the importance ofbelieving correctly. [115] In a separate context, members of minuscule "progressive" breakaway groups have also adopted the label Liberal Mormon. Cultural Mormons Cultural Mormons are individuals who do not believe some (or many) of the doctrines ofLDS Church, but who self-identify as Mormon.Usually this is a result of having been raised in the LDS faith, or as having converted and spent a large portion of one's life as an active member of the LDS Church. [116]

Cultural Mormonsmayormaynot be activelyinvolved withthe church,andinsome cases maynot even be officially members of the church

And Jeffries and the rest are still Mormons although I understand your need to deny that they are Mormons as he is serving hard time for raping children. The same way Papa Romney was still a Mormon when he returned from his Mexican pederfest - these guys are still Mormon even thought they supposedly had to leave the coutnry and church because of illegal practices..


Nice try....





Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
I stand by what I wrote Jennie - your church might be calling you back for getting busted with a falsehood - you might need some remedial training.
The paragraph does not deny polygamy - it allows it when commanded by god and you left that part out - it was placed in there so the leaders could justify multiple wifes after talking with a superstitious and imaginary spirit - its affect was to prevent the rest of the pathetic followers from taking mutliple wifes or wifes at all - even more despicable as it set up and allowed the authoritarian abuse by Pratt and the rest of the Apostles and the rapes of untold children.

No doubt we're all in need of more training.

The above quote was taken verbatim from the B.O.M....nothing left out
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
"even Lehi, the progenitor of the Book of Mormon"


Bahahahaha

Well, I'm talking about real people Jennie - the real creaters of the church - not imaginary 6000 year old characters of Joseph Smith's imagination.

I'm weird that way -I just consider reality - but it allows me to see the real lives and the real generations of woman and children that were abused by this horrible cult.
As well as the children that are still being abused in Temples by the FLDS - and yes, I realise your politcal machine has done everything to distant itself from these horrors.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:51pm PT
. The above quote was taken verbatim from the B.O.M....nothing left out

You're doubling back on yourself - you only posted one line of the quote the first time - and however you read the entire quote - or have been told to read the quote - you are wrong.
The book of Mormon allows polygamy in cases where it is commanded by god - which as I have proven has been used and still can be used by any psychopathic pedophile who comes along.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
im sorry Jennie, i dont mean tobe like a riley orsuch..

All i meant by it was that the church took me in quick. Gave me Priesthood
and had me teach'in jr.boys bible class. And i only lived there 3mos.
Super nice, suportive people there at the TF ward!
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:55pm PT
Jennie:
Just convince the Mormon Church to vote Democrat and these jackaknapes will stop the slanderous invective.
Either that or recite all the human degeneracy that has been a hallmark of liberal culture, the kind you hear on the news every day.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:56pm PT
And for those still following - here is a list of the wives of the guy who actually wrote The Book of Mormon - seems he got his commandment retroactively....yayayaya
But still felt the need to lie about it.....

Very sneeky - and ya wonder why this church is still so secretive?
Doesn't Wiki suck?
Lol



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith's_wives

Your prophet was just a sick pedophile
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:00am PT
. Jennie: Just convince the Mormon Church to vote Democrat and these jackaknapes will stop the slanderous invective. Either that or recite all the human degeneracy that has been a hallmark of liberal culture, the kind you hear on the news every day.


And there goes Dunghole again..
Floating turds in response to facts for going on 3000 posts now..
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