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Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
Jingy and the terrible scientist, both have reached the "Pinnacle of Stupidity" claiming they know the experience and knowledge of everyone else.

 proudly standing on the tippy top…. based in reality….Stupid Reality…. have you been part of it lately? Or is it just an eternity of harps, angels, wings and more deity worship for you?

Own it Werner, it's yours
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
Once upon a time, the notion of "free will" had a lot more to do with demons and demonic possession than physics, chemistry and/or neuroscience.

The judgment from over here: (1) I am a fully caused living thing (from the ground up, fated to my every heartbeat, thought, feeling and circumstance till my last breath); and (2) my will is "free" of any devil or demon (archaic superstition, no exorcism needed).

Two different contexts indeed.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
Getch: I think there is also a problem with the word "free" or at least how it is used. We are free from nothing; there is no outcome in the universe with no influence. We claim to live in a free society; isn't that an oxymoron?

Why are the confines of the physical universe any different then those of the mind? The idea of free will eventually requires a singularity, some call it god. None of that has been shown.

Getch: Welcome to ST and that's a great first post.

It certainly hard to argue that context means everything with a word like 'free'. There's definitely a price for everything in a free market society.

Your latter two points are interesting, but maybe you could flesh out that idea of free will requiring a singularity. Some folks posit the opposite - there can't be both 'free' will and god.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
At what point from birth to adulthood does a will become free?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
http://www.ted.com/talks/boaz_almog_levitates_a_superconductor.html

very cool BASE104
thanks for posting!

You anti-science nutbars can yap all you want, but meanwhile scientists are discovering the secrets of the universe.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Werner will shortly be explaining how there are no secrets, just stupid scientists on the dole.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
if Werner can't build a flying carpet, he is inferior to scientists
Crackslayer

Trad climber
Eldo
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:18am PT
I haven't had the chance to dive deep into this thread yet but I am really into this topic. For those of you interested in free will, I highly recommend any book by Sam Harris. His newest book is all about free will. It will blow you away and put you in your place. We are all animals following chemical responses in our brains which are our basic desires. There is no God, there is only Earth and the life on it. Until we find something else, this is our reality. God was made up to control us in organized religion. No one should participate in organized religion otherwise you are just feeding the troll.

I could go on and on but break free from religion and embrace the animal in the human. We owe our existence to chance events that took place over billions of years.
Crackslayer

Trad climber
Eldo
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:20am PT
I also just wanted to reply to the pic of the plant saying that it has no free will. Any individual plant has just as much free will as you or I. Does it choose where it sprouts? Do we choose where we are born?

Plants have amazing behaviors that would blow you away. They do have the ability to chose for themselves to survive just like we do.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:24am PT
We are all animals following chemical responses in our brains which are our basic desires. There is no God,


Prove it!


This is dogma. Same as saying the Earth is flat.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:31am PT
This is dogma. Same as saying the Earth is flat.

Really? One can prove the Earth is round. Whether there is a god or not is not a provable conjecture. If anything - after endless civilizations and gods over the history of man - I should think the idea of 'gods' says way more about us and our needs as individuals and how we organize into societies than speaking to the existence of said gods. Again:

keep your gods straight... http://www.godchecker.com/
keep your gods straight... http://www.godchecker.com/
Credit: healyje

It's a lot of damn gods if you will. Now you might take the tack they're all the same god, but then there would be billions of people past and present who would vehemently dispute that claiming their's is/are the only 'true' god[s].

Crackslayer

Trad climber
Eldo
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:36am PT
Also, you can't prove anything. Science has never proved anything, just suggested things such as evolution. Can you prove there is a god? How?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:36am PT
Sam Harris? Who is this person, does he climb?
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:56am PT
Living life in one small place on Earth it is easy to say the world is flat. One has to get out and get up high to observe.

Science generally means something that can be measured and observed.


If you look back at history we didn't know jack-pooh 100 years ago compared to now, and so on and so on before that.


It just follows that with all we know now, we still don't know jack-pooh.


Those who look, and I mean really look, with an open mind, have a slight chance of perceiving something new.



So if you want to sit there in your chair and spout dogma about science or religion, then thank you. If you were actually wise, there would be no fun comments to bat about in this thread.

You, are welcome. Now; Go ahead, kick me, and then spit on me. It's fun.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:59am PT
hey that reminds me - you never quite explained rationalizing all that incriminating evidence and allegations of fraud and human rights abuse in scientology. This is as good a place as any. So what gives Spider?
WBraun

climber
Feb 7, 2013 - 01:08am PT
Leave Spider alone.

Row your own boat and see all shores instead .....
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 7, 2013 - 01:09am PT
Bruce, That particular information is a stream of garbage flowing from the central sewer system of the very best sleazy tabloid journalists. Leaches on the sides of real people who do real things to help build a healthier happier world for others. Highly distorted facts, twisted tibits of truth, and outright lies that they think will help them gain quick and easy cash flow. They do it for money and nothing else.


Good. Go ahead and kick again. Don't forget to spit.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 7, 2013 - 01:12am PT
????????????????????????

leave him alone? Do people come here to be alone?


how about you - should i leave you alone too sweety boo boo?

That particular information is a stream of garbage flowing from the central sewer system of the very best sleazy tabloid journalists.

I see. Well I thought I'd try one more time
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Feb 7, 2013 - 01:58am PT
No animal cruelty, please.

Leave the duck alone!
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 7, 2013 - 02:45am PT
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