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Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 25, 2012 - 07:46pm PT
^^^^ Further proof of the deluted ^^^^
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2012 - 08:09pm PT
Fair question, but I suspect that "an answer" depends upon what will qualify as an answer for you.
MikeL.

You are so correct, my post was so open to interpretation.
I was referring to our darling of this thread, Jan's post.
about not being able to understand aspects on the concept of God.

Basically it isn't about understanding, it's about acknowledgement that something exists or not, or can it be defined.

God is outside of the realm of "the acknowledgement" of existence, and can not be defined in any way that is acceptable to non believers.

an example: gravity, we acan acknowledge it exists, define it, make predictions about what effect it has,
But it may be argued that we don't understand it completely, which is true, but it doesn't matter, we know enough to talk about it with valid definitions.

But God!! is supposedly completely separate, he is beyond everything some how.
He is undefinable, undetectable, unobserveable, un-acknowledgable, and humans are unable to understand God.

may need editing
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 25, 2012 - 08:32pm PT
Jingy
 "ok then… explain spirituality to me… as if I was a 5 year old."

Son, do you remember when we all got together and sung "Happy Birthday" to your sister
on her B-day? We consciencely converged in song to Wish (and Hope) that her Spirit be
a "Happy" one while celebrating her day of birth.

I think this a positive act from our Spirituality

"Wishing" and "Hoping" and being "Happy", Are not words to describe matter.
And when we humans express our feelings and emotions we are being spiritual.

HELP ME! COME ON BROTHERS AND SISTERS...
WBraun

climber
Nov 25, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
He is undefinable, undetectable, unobservable, UN-acknowledged, and humans are unable to understand God.

More narcissism.

Since you can't understand therefore everyone else on the planet can't understand.

Classic narcissistic projection ie; (everyone is just like me) ......
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Nov 25, 2012 - 08:50pm PT
"ok then… explain spirituality to me… as if I was a 5 year old."

The Bible say's it is in the name of Jesus...

John 20:30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
Classic narcissistic projection

someone can define God??
Please do it for us, tell us all about him,
since I seem to be unable to do it, and just a narcissist for thinking that no one can.
prove me wrong, please.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 25, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
Wishing….? Hoping….?

Is that really the best you got?


Pardon me, but that is a human failure.

Your imagination has failed you. You may sit down now.




Oh, and pointing at the bible and saying spiritual is just as bad of a failure
jstan

climber
Nov 25, 2012 - 09:47pm PT
And when we humans express our feelings and emotions we are being spiritual.

Mike, you may have given us an important key.

When we are in battle at war, we are emotional. So killing is spiritual.

When we water board some one who is helpless, we have to be emotionally affected. So torture is spiritual.

Look at fundamentalists protesting the legal freedoms others possess. They are very emotional.

By your definition we can slide all manner of heinous acts under cover of "spirituality".

As a boy on the farm I had tasks requiring me to kill animals. It was very emotionally trying.



I never tried to make it easy for myself by bringing spirituality into the matter.

If I was wrong, then it was because I was not strong enough to do right.
cintune

climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
Nov 25, 2012 - 10:31pm PT
Here are some interesting visualizations anyway. Maps, not territory, goes without saying. Ceci n'est pas l'esprit.

http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2012/11/20/geometrical-psychology-benjamin-betts/
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 26, 2012 - 12:01am PT
Jstan
" By your definition we can slide all manner of heinous acts under cover of "spirituality"."

NOT ALL, military men killing in war are doing so by command from their higher-ups
in superiority. Their just doing their job. So it's material not spiritual.
__

"As a boy on the farm I had tasks requiring me to kill animals. It was very emotionally trying."

When I was about 5, fishing my Grandma's quarry. Just as I pulled a Perch out of the water.
A humungus Bass leaped into the air and gulped my dinner. I literally cried. Then realized
I was upset because I felt like that Bass out smarted me. By nabb'in his meal off my line
instead of having to chase around for him. I learned I had competition for the bounty.
I felt I needed to be sly and cunning on my next hunt. I also saw a Bass eat a Perch.
So I never thought twice about me eat'in the Bass. It's Grand what Mother-Nature
will show us when we look into her soul.

Jus Fish'in
BB
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 26, 2012 - 12:10am PT
Jingy wrote
"Your imagination has failed you. You may sit down now."

THANK YOU YOUR HONOUR!


I thought I was dealing with a 5yo. Not a 2yo?

Jus Wank'in
BB
MH2

climber
Nov 26, 2012 - 12:47am PT
Jus Fish'in


As in Russ'n?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 26, 2012 - 01:37am PT
Floristism sez

" But God!! is supposedly completely separate, he is beyond everything some how.
He is undefinable, undetectable, unobserveable, un-acknowledgable, and humans are unable to understand God."
__

He's definable, the Bible points right at Him.

He's Detectable, I can feel Him inside my body.

He's Observeable, I can see Gods Spirit moving people's bodies in directions they would
Not naturally go.

He's Acknowledgable, He acknowledges me everytime He answers prayer.

He's Understandable, He's Eternal, so it will take forever to know everything,

But simply He's The God of Love!

Jus Prune'in
BB
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Nov 26, 2012 - 03:31am PT
Jstan
" By your definition we can slide all manner of heinous acts under cover of "spirituality"."


NOT ALL, military men killing in war are doing so by command from their higher-ups
in superiority. Their just doing their job. So it's material not spiritual.


I have to take exception Blue. Material or spiritual necessity, how can a righteous person justify murdering innocents on orders of their superiors as the death squads of German soldiers did in Poland and the Ukraine?

Perhaps on the battlefield...it becomes kill or be killed.. But these were unarmed, unhostile victims...and perhaps a million and a half were murdered by rank and file soldiers on orders of their commanding officers. Is "following orders" so imperative a justification that it negates guilt or voids the inordinately bad karma of participating in such monstrous barbarism?
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 26, 2012 - 04:16am PT
Bad Boy Brian not accepting his spiritual fate as the chosen one, the Messiah.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 26, 2012 - 11:14am PT
Hey Jennie
"Is "following orders" so imperative a justification that it negates guilt or voids the inordinately bad karma of participating in such monstrous barbarism?"

Yes Ma'am, God teaches we must submit to those who are in authority over us.
Even in OT times. When David sent out his soldier to kill one of his own men.
God didn't rebuke the soldier who "pulled the trigger". He dealt with David
The one who ordered this heinous act of murder.
Remember, God doesn't judge the "finger", He judges the Heart!

Now what's this "Karma" thing? Is it another one of mans ways of condoning
What he's "done"? By adding reward to a "good" act, and a penalty for a "bad" one?
Sounds kinda "fleshy" to me! Like "luck".

Jus Salute'in
BB
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Nov 26, 2012 - 11:21am PT
The U.S. kills people all of the time.

The Iraq sanctions killed thousands of innocent people and did nothing to Sadaam Hussein.

All we want is cheap gas. Nobody cares what goes into getting it. Just get it.

If I could count all of the people who have died over oil, it would be a high number. It is also one of the main reasons that we are hated in the middle east, the other being our staunch support of Israel, who kills its fair share of people every day as well.

Nobody is perfect, eh?
jstan

climber
Nov 26, 2012 - 11:31am PT
I have to take exception Blue. Material or spiritual necessity, how can a righteous person justify murdering innocents on orders of their superiors as the death squads of German soldiers did in Poland and the Ukraine? - Jennie

I agree Jennie. Mike's answer was no answer at all.

I really do think Mike's original post contains a very important clue. An association. There are two problems with describing here the idea.

1. There has to be a description of this idea out there somewhere. I need to do the research. Human culture is really like a computer with billions of CPU's. And they all are going all of the time on topics important to all. Over the past 50,000 years human culture has moved ever closer to the cultures formed by insects. Even Einstein's General Relativity was not a completely new concept.

2. Even after the research, it has to be very well and carefully written. When/if I get it done I will ask you to review/criticize it.

If there is data to support this concept, two hundred years from now Mike's idea will probably be held side by side with Darwin's work.

rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Nov 26, 2012 - 11:49am PT
All we want is cheap gas.

Clearly, all of our barbarism didn't make gas any cheaper. Quite the contrary.
jstan

climber
Nov 26, 2012 - 12:09pm PT
An observation.

As mentioned before I think we can define awareness but we have no idea what "consciousness" is. That being the case I will define it.

Consciousness is a mental state reached when the individual realizes they are not alone, and their mental processes require alignment.

ST is all about consciousness.

Most posts are about resisting alignment--------which proves the point.

The moments when ST successfully supports the competition of ideas---are infrequent and short.

Enjoy what we have---at this moment. The next such moment may be weeks or months away.

Edit:
The MAIN reason we're hated is because of our "Freedoms"


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