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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 3, 2012 - 12:21pm PT
My dog Jake. RIP. also knew probably 25 people by their name.
I won many a beer from it. But he didn't understand it was their name.
He was taught to correlate a term (tone) with a body. Like "shake"
He didn't lift his paw because he wanted to shake your hand he lifted it because he learned this term meant he would get a reward.
jstan

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
To this day large tree climbing snakes, boas, are a predator feared by animals dwelling in trees. Humans evolved from tree shrews and humans also seem to have a hard wired aversion to snakes. We seem to hate them so much, to this day, we still listen to stories of evil talking snakes.

Just imagine being out on a limb barely able to support you, in the dead of night, with a snake approaching that can go out further than you because their tail is on a larger limb. You ever wish you could fly and see in the dark? I expect tree shrews wished very sincerely for those abilities.

Now this could be nothing but "speculation". But consider. If it is not just speculation you have to wonder at the power of evolution. Hard wired memories lasting fifty million years. And if it is not speculation, the tracks left by evolution are all over the bible, and all over us. Plain as day.

All because of molecules, however they first came to form, that could replicate.

Edit:
Just like religion should not be incorporated into politics.
Tell me why evolution or science should be?

I'd love to take a swat at that one.

Politics is all about how people relate in this world. When food or even gasolene is not available in this world - it quickly gets political. As we speak.

Science is a study of this world. Religion is not.

The sun does not revolve around the earth. And it has NOT been doing this for a good bit longer than 6000 years. No one has ever seen a kindly old gentleman floating in the blue sky. As he sends us into disease and slaughter - out of his love for each of us.

If he were there he would stop the evil people who tell us that he, of all people, intended that women should be raped. Or that ova can tell when there has been a "legitimate" rape and so cannot be fertilized. Anyone who loved us would not allow such people to draw breath. But breathe they do. And they even run for high office.

Such is an inhuman monstrosity.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
BB
I will answer that
Science does not get involved with Religion

But Religion does claim that Science is wrong

So it's a problem with Religion, not science

Science can prove that the life on the planet was a product of evolution.

Christians say we are wrong and say God created life, then we say prove it, if you want us to look at your theory, but you can't
you say it basically magic

Science has not ever had to resort to magic to explain how anything works

So sceince rejects your theory

and then we go on and look at the possible existence of God, and the same thing happens
No proof, no evidence of God ever doing anything, no magic can be observed..

Religion loses, science moves ahead
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 3, 2012 - 12:41pm PT
DrF
I admire your determinism.
But when you say science can prove where life came from your liar.
And saying such things makes me not trust anything you say.
You should know this from politics. Which is what my question concerned.
Why should evolution in science be involved in politics.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
Your calling me a liar????

Science does say life is product of evolution
That is no lie

No one has said we have proved how the first life form was created.

I did not say that, but we can speculate that it happened by natural ways that have been theorised on, most of it has not been confirmed, but it there ARE explanations that could be true.

Once the first life form was out there, it was 100% evolution till now, that has been proved to be fact.

You got another theory that fits the data?

Never ever call me a liar again, please
One thing I do not do is Lie
That is one insult I can not take
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 3, 2012 - 12:48pm PT
Science can prove that the life on the planet was a product of evolution.

This is a lie there is no proof!if you say it you are a liar!
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
Well your a complete idiot then
You should read some science rather than just spout ignoramus BS

Evolution has been Proved as fact
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 3, 2012 - 12:55pm PT
Jstan
Just imagine being out on a limb barely able to support you, in the dead of night, with a snake approaching that can go out further than you because their tail is on a larger limb. You ever wish you could fly and see in the dark? I expect tree shrews wished very sincerely for those abilities.

Now this could be nothing but "speculation". But consider. If it is not just speculation you have to wonder at the power of evolution. Hard wired memories lasting fifty million years. And if it is not speculation, the tracks left by evolution are all over the bible, and all over us. Plain as day.

Are you saying that "wishing"or thoughts are "hard wired"into the consciousness?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 3, 2012 - 12:56pm PT
I did not say that, but we can speculate that it happened by natural ways that have been theorised on, most of it has not been confirmed, but it there ARE explanations that could be true.

Is this how you define facts and proofs?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
If all mankind were to disappear, the world would regenerate back to the rich state of equilibrium that existed ten thousand years ago. If insects were to vanish, the environment would collapse into chaos.
E. O. Wilson


We (humans) are only important in our own minds. The earth doesn't need us.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
We (humans) are only important in our own minds. The earth doesn't need us.


Bingo
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
Well?
What are you doing evolving some more speculations of theory's?

This is all very educational for me!
But I must be off to work.
I wish we humans could evolve to spitting money out our butts!
jstan

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
Are you saying that "wishing"or thoughts are "hard wired"into the consciousness?

I am saying for the tree shrew, however it is accomplished, an aversion to a predator like the snake, would appear to be hard wired in. Do yourself a favor and don't use words like "consciousness" that aren't even defined. The word prevents you from thinking clearly. The brain employs many billions of neurons and each of those has many thousands of interconnections. We are intensely exploring that world and just as we did not know a hundred years ago that the universe was created in an instant, we don't know how many things are wired into our brains. We do know from the study of evolution that survival is a primary mechanism active in the wiring-in process.

And Blu, could you respond to my post answering your question as to why science is different from religion? You are entirely correct Craig is wrong when he implies he has absolute proof of anything. He makes his argument incredibly weak this way, and you are right to challenge. We know many things to a certainty of 99.999% but we know nothing to a certainty of 100.00000%.

You are making your own error when you think you need to know anything to a certainty of 100.0000%. You enjoy each day without knowing to that certainty that you will even live out the day.

I look forward to your reply.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
Jstan
Science is the study of matter. Religion is the study of spirits.

In the observation of monkeys. If a female monkey sees her male mate have sex with another female she won't let her mate back into the nest.

The problem with anti-anything. Anti-Republican anti-religious anti-evolutionist. You narrow your perspective in half. Thus having a closed mind on the issues in a debate.
When you say Republican politicians are against abortion because they're listening to God.
This is not always a true statement. Thuss yours is only a half truth.
Mature politicians should not use religion in their voice concerning their political agenda.
And mature debaters should not listen to the religious, scientific or evolutionary voices
On topics concerning human social rights. STICK TO THE FACTS !
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Nov 3, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
Religion is the study of spirits.



I thought spirituality was the study of spirits and Religion is the hijacking of spirituality into an authoritarian political power structure.
MH2

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 02:22pm PT
A man said to the universe,
"Sir, I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."


Stephen Crane (1871-1900) was the son of a Methodist minister.



Praise the Baboon!

http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/episode/2012/10/20/october-20-2012/index.html#6
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Nov 3, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
The problem with anti-anything. Anti-Republican anti-religious anti-evolutionist. You narrow your perspective in half. Thus having a closed mind on the issues in a debate.

Blu, you are a fine one to talk like that, you should look in the mirror

you are the closed minded one because you reject the rigorous "science" of discovery and fossil proofs that absolutely show how humans "evolved" over millions of years

you stated that you do NOT "believe" it and you call it only a "theory"

instead, you have also stated that you believe in the literal Biblical story of "creationism"
in short that humans were instantly created in their present form only a couple thousand years ago

and you have the nerve to challenge others as having a "narrow perspective"

I have asked you countless time a very simple question: How old is the earth?

And each time you just cannot bring yourself to say the words 4.5 billion years
Instead, you quote Genesis from the Bible back to me

you said, seemingly with pride, that you failed high school biology

It is difficult to take you seriously when you now say you are the open minded one here
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Nov 3, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
Norton
You're a fine piece of work...
I'd appreciate it if you would stop describing how I think! go back and read my prior posts. I'm the one that said the universe is eternal.
I've witnessed how you respond to other people's posts.
You are a negative eddy in an otherwise positive flow of thoughts.


Edit : " I have asked you countless time a very simple question: How old is the earth?"

You asked me twice. what's the matter can't you count to two.
Maybe this is your problem?
WBraun

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 05:13pm PT
Science is not the study of matter.

Science is the universal study that comprehensively encompasses everything.

The modern gross materialists and the sectarian religionists are the ones who've made these nonsense categories that mislead themselves.
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