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Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2012 - 09:30am PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2012 - 09:37am PT
can people talk to God or Jesus?

Oh yes all the time.

The atheist doesn't know how.

Wrong

If you went to a Psycologist, and told them you talked to God, what would he say?

What does science say?
What do people that thought they talked to God, say when they came to realise the truth?

They all say the same thing

No one talks to God
The voices you hear are just you talking to yourself.

I used to think I could hear God, I still hear the same voices, but I now know it was me all the time.

But you can test it for yourself, have God or jesus tell you something you don't know.
It can't be done.
Otherwise, God would be telling us all kinds of new stuff, which has never happened from the beginning of time

That's why we thought God told us the earth is flat, and demons cause disease.
cintune

climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
Oct 20, 2012 - 10:49am PT
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 20, 2012 - 10:59am PT
Drf said;
" No one talks to god
The voices you hear are just you talking to yourself.

I used to think I could hear God, I still hear the same voices, but I now know it was me all the time. "

THIS IS WHAT WRONG WITH AMERICA!

One person with FAILED attempts and NO other proof. Will CONDEMN half of mankind for something they believe wholeheartedly with all their mind to be right. This person has no discussion in them. They only have their narrow minded point of view. There like a wild bobcat in the cage. Even though you're trying to help him by getting close and taking the thorn from his foot. He still wants to scratch your eyes out.

Let's not forget God has been recorded in all of man's history. Especially America! God bless America! Documented and proven. He is the foundation and the basis of the free nation we live in today. Our roots grow deep. It's individual radicals that are in opposition of the norm.
That wish to Chipaway and erode the original foundation. So let's not forget who's attacking who! I guess the good thing about America is that we allow anyone with a megaphone to stand up and talk?

Jus Be'in Civilized
BB

jstan

climber
Oct 20, 2012 - 11:38am PT
Blue:

Not sure how to read you last post. But let me ask a question.

Is god's voice the only one you hear?

If you hear two, is god's voice different in some way? How do you keep them separate?
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
They only have their narrow minded point of view. There like a wild bobcat in the cage. Even though you're trying to help him by getting close and taking the thorn from his foot. He still wants to scratch your eyes out.
are you describing yourself

When did I attack anyone?

I thought this was a debate
I'm not allowed to express my knowledge of the human mind, because it might offend some simpletons
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
Let's not forget God has been recorded in all of man's history. Especially America! God bless America! Documented and proven. He is the foundation and the basis of the free nation we live in today.
This is plain wrong as well
America is not a Chrisitan Nation, blessed by God
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Oct 20, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
BB,

I can almost see the veins in your neck popping out and your face turning purple with anger.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Oct 20, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
Of course we only became a christian nation after god answered our prayers for the genocide of the people who lived here before us - god bless America!
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Oct 20, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
Of course we only became a Christian nation after god helped us with the genocide of the people who lived here before us - god bless America!

Who helped later arrivals of migratory Indians destroy their fellow Indian competitors over a given piece of coveted real estate?
It must have been the Great Spirit.
cintune

climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
Oct 20, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
That was Sitting Bull's take on Little Big Horn, actually.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 20, 2012 - 02:23pm PT
JStan
Thanks, good question!
I hear two sometimes three voices. I hear my brain I talk to it. I hear it being concerned with acquiring material things. Food, house, car . And this motivates my body to "hunt" for these objects. Because if I eat food I won't die. If I get a house I'll be warm and stable. If I get car to be able to go to work and get money to buy food. This is my basic material "Thinking". Where the brain is mechanically, with matter, manufacturing the need for these material staples.

But then I hear another voice that is concerned with the unseen parts of life. For instance;like buying insurance for my health, car, home. I'm not purchasing (trading something material "money" for an "idea" of insurance) Insurance because my mind is telling me I need it for material survival. My "conscience voice"wants me to acquire based on respect to the outside environments ability to conflict with my personal environment. That same voice also speaks through my emotions. Where the voice of love can make my brain do exactly opposite of what it deems as survival. This voice I predominately listen and talk to. This is the voice that can make us happy. Subsiding the brain voice.

That's two voices I hear. The third voice I hear has a tendency to agree or disagree with the second voice. IE whether or not I should buy insurance, or if I should smoke or not. Or if I should get away with not paying my electric bill if no one knew.
I'll call this voice the soul.

Jus Talk'in
BB

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 20, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
Base
Nothing Dr. F could say would hurt my feelings. He's way too predictable at this point.

As for the Indians get real! There was genocide going on here and all the way to South America Way before we ever migrated.
And you say "we"rebelliously. do you somehow feel connected to that early settlers via ancestrally. Then why don't you feel connected to all of mankind. It's proven through DNA that were all connected back to one single person. Therefore we are all relatives. You are separating matter with ideals and conscience.

Jus Observ'in
BB
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Oct 20, 2012 - 02:49pm PT
It's proven through DNA that were all connected back to one single person. Therefore we are all relatives.

Dude you are clearly in need of less god and more science when you roll out one of these gems. Seems like you'll believe just about anything.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 20, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
Hey scientist today and for the past at least eight or 10 years. Or more.? Have proven that we all share some part of DNA and they say traces us all back to an African woman.

Look it up dude!
jstan

climber
Oct 20, 2012 - 03:49pm PT
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/evolution/female-ancestor2.htm

There are rare instances where the male's mitochondrial DNA is passed to the offspring and this whole technology is relatively new. In addition, DNA tests have not been performed upon all female members of our specie. On that basis I think the more conservative statement might be

at the present time data suggests one matriarchical strain of mitochondrial DNA is shared by all extant members of our specie.

"Proven" is a very strong word. Used inadvisedly it is sometimes proved to be unproven.

Never count your chickens before they are hatched.

Edit:
The article cited above states the uncertainty in the data is such that Mitochondrial Eve could have lived anytime between 500,000 BCE and 50,000 BCE. It suggests the event that caused only one matriarchical african strain of homo sapiens to survive was the explosion of a volcano in Sumatra 70,000 years ago. I had not previously heard that event called out specifically as the cause in this way. These things are very difficult to confirm, so I think that contribution to the timing is somewhat of a speculation. Even were Sumatran ash shown to exist in the seacoast area that is thought to be the point of origin for modern homo sapiens, it is a huge leap to assign that as a cause for decimated population. While It provides a very comforting sense of knowledge, such things need to be questioned.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Oct 20, 2012 - 03:53pm PT
It's proven through DNA that we're all connected back to one primate.

Fixed it for ya.
Fixed your spelling & conceptual problems as well.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 20, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
It's proven through DNA that were all connected back to one single PRIMATE

and as far as we now, that PRIMATE lived in a tree and was alive millions of year ago


Malemute gets it


Blu proudly failed high school biology

but considers himself enough of an expert on DNA to issue "proofs" and render a sweeping statement regarding human evolution

which he has stated he does not "believe it"

anyone else see the irony?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 20, 2012 - 04:03pm PT
Oh; I thought that's how scientific proofs were managed.
You see a few of the puzzle pieces. And from that proof,
You can theoralize the next proof.

Anyway, I thought I read that to be more conclusive in the strain.

Jus Strain'in
BB
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Oct 20, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
Strange how Jan or Largo kept springing to mind as I watched this Lara Logan piece, so I thought I'd post it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8WVp6nUwew&feature



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/09/lara-logan-s-war-cry.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57523364/lara-logan-talks-landmine-miss-and-taliban-commander-interview/


Get real, boys and girls.
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