Jeremy Ross
Gym climber
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It's so far-fetched to think that DNA invented itself
When a cell splits. It uses old dead DNA to replicate itself. It needs this topo map to know what it's going to be. Kind of like a fossil. So live DNA can't even create itself it's just replicating its own prescription.
DNA does not create itself from a dead strand of DNA. Your understanding (or rather misunderstanding) of Molecular Biology is laughable at best if this is a serious response.
-JR
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MikeL
climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
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Ugh, just what is it about Einstein that makes people so devoted to every brain fart the guy had?
I believe he was also known to have yelled once or twice at his daughter. I suppose that's something that we should all emulate, no?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Ugh, just what is it about Einstein that makes people so devoted to every brain fart the guy had?
well he was a helluva physicist, but I agree that that doesn't necessarily translate into other areas... not really up on all the other stuff, the physics is enough for me, even his bad ideas are worth understanding in that arena
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MikeL
climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
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hooray for Ed.
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Malemute
Ice climber
the ghost
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Einstein was a genius.
You're a nobody.
Deal with it.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Einstein was a physics "genius"
but maybe just a normal human in other respects....
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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bparry
Trad climber
New Haven, CT
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It's so far-fetched to think that DNA invented itself
When a cell splits. It uses old dead DNA to replicate itself. It needs this topo map to know what it's going to be. Kind of like a fossil. So live DNA can't even create itself it's just replicating its own prescription.
DNA inventing itself. Even our supercomputers give the odds at 10,000 trillion to one.
So I guess there is a chance?
Jus Say'in
BB
I hope this was a troll.
DNA is neither live nor dead. Remove 'topo map' and replace with thermodynamics. What happens next from an "old" strand (perhaps template in the vernacular) of DNA is just minimization of free energies between the template, incoming nucleotide and polymerase. Finally, I cannot relate DNA to a fossil very well. What do you mean that DNA is a kind of fossil?
People code super-computers. In other words, they enforce their biases on super-computers.
EDIT: My response, a number of superlative beers into the evening.
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Jeremy Ross
Gym climber
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I hope this was a troll.
Right?
-JR
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WBraun
climber
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In response to cintunes stupid bullsh!t analogy 2 posts above that he finds on the internet since ha can't think for himself.
Spiritual knowledge the room is eternally and complete in all illumination.
Only stupid fools grope around in the dark with a stupid flashlight that has a limited burn time and limited illumination ......
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Einstein was a physics "genius" but just a normal human in other respects.
I am sure most of us agree on that.
And speaking of Albert Einstien...
It has been a while since I read anything (bio) in detail on AE. But, among other things, the dude is a bit of an enigma, imo! Also, I personally find equally significant (to his work in physics, etc) the roll he played on another plane. In which I put the significance of his rise to greatness in synchrony with that of a contemporary of his who also rose to the top in another area of achivement (Olympics/sports/physical perfection) Jessie Owens.
And their rise to excellence, fame & perfection in their own respective areas also paralleled another persons subsequent rise to power and fame/infamy while touting the false and diabolical claims of a master race. I have a particular distain for Adolf Hitler (as most people do) and I believe that they (Einstein & Owens) were, in combination, a huge slap in the face and humiliation to him and his Third Reich and their claims of superiority (E being a Jew with the highest IQ in the world & O being black and winning the '36 Olympic gold in Berlin in front of AH) ... just think about it!
Not to take away from their (E & O) individual/personal acheivements, but I do believe that they also had another, somewhat over looked, significance in regards to making a statement about the equality of humanity in general. I personally believe this was ordained by God.
Furthermore, I believe (as many people do) that AH was demonically possessed. Or at least part of Satans plan to 1) destroy Gods chosen people (the Jews) and therefore, 2) thwart His ultimate plan, which included the reformation of Israel. The debate here seems to be God/religion vs Science. Satan, in at least the Christian aspect of it, cannot be left out of the picture.
Regarding science, ya should listen (if ya haven't already) to what Dinesh D'Souza has to say about physics & science in general. They are very compatible in many ways (religion & science).
edit: btw, regarding the "Jewish" race, Hitler did exterminate half of them 6M+ and would have certainly succeded in exterminating them all had he continued with his plan. 6M+ was half of the total Hebrew race existing on earth at that time...he was well on his way!
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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I think this tendency to consider a master in one field as a master of the universe (Lil' Albert), somebody who has a firm "grasp" of reality, is a primitive part of us who wants an all-knowing" dad to spell out the truth in plain and simple facts. But there is no such dood, IME. It's just us.
There's also the punitive part of Good Old Dad who shames and punishes those questioning his status as a know-it-all. Not that he actually knows-it-all, but just wait till more data come in. Then it all will be made plain, if not now, or tomorrow, then in 10,000 years. This is known as the "data fallacy," that the answer to everything is a matter of data collection.
Of course this is magical thinking - as though our brains and our systems can actually grasp everything - given enough time for proper objectification. This is simply transferring the no-limits capacity of "God" to our logic and systems. True knowledge begins with understanding that this is - you guessed it - the pipe dreaming of thinking itself.
When the wild exaggerations of science fiction are pimped as actual science, we have totally lost our way IMO. That's when we hear about sentient machines that can fall in love, or the next Dr. Frankenstein who will "create" life in the laboratory from the discrete components believed to create life in the wilds.
this all begs the question: Can you imagine a point of view that is not based on either a mechanical or divine belief of reality? What might "the other" look like?
JL
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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This is known as the "data fallacy," that the answer to everything is a matter of data collection.
most physicists would agree with this... it's not just a matter of collecting data, but also of understanding how the data is organized, that is, what theory is consistent with the data and can be used to predict the outcome of experiments, that is, predict what data will be collected.
physics isn't just the sum of collected data, it is also the logical explanation of that collection of data
that's why we could say that the speed-of-neutrinos equals the speed-of-light in the face of an apparent contradictory experiment... recall that the experiment was incorrect...
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Largo
this all begs the question: Can you imagine a point of view that is not based on either a mechanical or divine belief of reality? What might "the other" look like?
I wish I knew how to download pictures. I'd show you a picture of my six-year-old daughter.
Jus Imagin'in
BB
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go-B
climber
2 Timothy 1:9-10 Psalm 119:83
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 Missing photo ID#266792
Thanksgiving for the Lord’s Favor.
A Psalm of David.
138 I will give You thanks with all my heart;
I will sing praises to You before the gods.
2 I will bow down toward Your holy temple
And give thanks to Your name for Your lovingkindness and Your truth;
For You have magnified Your word according to all Your name.
3 On the day I called, You answered me;
You made me bold with strength in my soul.
4 All the kings of the earth will give thanks to You, O Lord,
When they have heard the words of Your mouth.
5 And they will sing of the ways of the Lord,
For great is the glory of the Lord.
6 For though the Lord is exalted,
Yet He regards the lowly,
But the haughty He knows from afar.
7 Though I walk in the midst of trouble, You will revive me;
You will stretch forth Your hand against the wrath of my enemies,
And Your right hand will save me.
8 The Lord will accomplish what concerns me;
Your lovingkindness, O Lord, is everlasting;
Do not forsake the works of Your hands.
The Lord God almighty did not spare the smallest detail in all the universe, He gave us all of His love by sending His Son Jesus!
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BES1'st
climber
USA
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go-B is this ->"gods" a typo or another bible inconsistency?
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Dr. F.
Ice climber
SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2012 - 07:44am PT
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Largo
This is spiritual speculating
The same way a self-replicating DNA strand organized itself, out of nothing (but ever so slowly), and just like the Big Ass Bang "created" the universe out of nothing. It just - happened. But you see, it never happened like you're thinking, like, all at once. Not really like the Big Ass Bang at all. Like, one second it's not here and the next moment it is. There's probably never one moment where we can say, "here it is. Right now." And that's because it happened so slowly and over billions of years - except for the Big Ass Bang, which happened really really fast - because God is so patient. You're thinking of a rabbit yanked out of a top hat and this just shows you know nothing about the process, or maybe you're listening to that Seven-Days version in the bible. But back then, a "day" was like 20 million years long and sh#t, so that's how God created the world out of nothing.
JL
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go-B
climber
2 Timothy 1:9-10 Psalm 119:83
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Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!
Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgment among the “gods”:
2 “How long will you defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;
uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”
8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.
Exodus 20:4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
Habakkuk 2:18-20
18 “What profit is the idol when its maker has carved it,
Or an image, a teacher of falsehood?
For its maker trusts in his own handiwork
When he fashions speechless idols.
19 “Woe to him who says to a piece of wood, ‘Awake!’
To a mute stone, ‘Arise!’
And that is your teacher?
Behold, it is overlaid with gold and silver,
And there is no breath at all inside it.
20 “But the Lord is in His holy temple.
Let all the earth be silent before Him.”
John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
1 John 5:20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Karl Baba:
Our deepest inner Being and the Universal Spirit are the same “not-thing.” You experience and “know” God by abiding in your true Self and allowing that experience to expand so you aren’t lost in the world of thinking, thinking thinking.
Some traditions have talked about this Source of Being as “Void” or “Nothingness.” This helps people refrain from applying concepts and anthropomorphisms to it but I feel it comes up very short. The Spirit can seem “void” because it is not divided up into separate compartments that the mind can label and perceive separately. It is rather Full beyond having a brim to overflow. It contains all, everything comes from it, but it is not filled with “this” and “that.”
Because only a portion of this existence takes shape as our universe which takes light billions of years to traverse at 182,000 miles per second, we can understand the Spirit is not an old man in the sky with his panties in a bunch. That existence can be felt as abstract and beyond the beyond. I’ve also found that this “Ultimate Being” can also be the closest, most personal connection in our Heart. It is purest consciousness in everything, it comprehends you from the inside out with total acceptance and Love, as you are One. You are as you are in a Perfection that is always evolving and blossoming.
So relate to the Spirit as a friend, Lover, Parent or a conscious force. I can meet you where you are. Just don’t project your own bias, fear and violence on it. The idea that God sends those who don’t have blind faith in a dogma to Hell to suffer for eternity is the biggest slander and Blasphemy of History.
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