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war

climber
Oct 19, 2011 - 10:06am PT
cheering the irs?
Rokjox

Trad climber
Boys I'dunno
Oct 19, 2011 - 10:07am PT
He got on a sinking treasure ship to loot the cargo hold before it goes down.


Really, what does that prove?
Dr. F.

Social climber
Retired Climber, So Cal
Oct 19, 2011 - 10:25am PT
Finally, A Republican Gets it

The Seven Biggest Economic Lies

by Charles Kruathammer

The President’s Jobs Bill doesn’t have a chance in Congress — and the Occupiers on Wall Street and elsewhere can’t become a national movement for a more equitable society – unless more Americans know the truth about the economy.

Here’s a short (2 minute 30 second) effort to rebut the seven biggest whoppers now being told by those who want to take America backwards. The major points:

Tax cuts for the rich trickle down to everyone else. Baloney. Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush both sliced taxes on the rich and what happened? Most Americans’ wages (measured by the real median wage) began flattening under Reagan and have dropped since George W. Bush. Trickle-down economics is a cruel joke.

Higher taxes on the rich would hurt the economy and slow job growth. False. From the end of World War II until 1981, the richest Americans faced a top marginal tax rate of 70 percent or above. Under Dwight Eisenhower it was 91 percent. Even after all deductions and credits, the top taxes on the very rich were far higher than they’ve been since. Yet the economy grew faster during those years than it has since. (Don’t believe small businesses would be hurt by a higher marginal tax; fewer than 2 percent of small business owners are in the highest tax bracket.)

Shrinking government generates more jobs. Wrong again. It means fewer government workers – everyone from teachers, fire fighters, police officers, and social workers at the state and local levels to safety inspectors and military personnel at the federal. And fewer government contractors, who would employ fewer private-sector workers. According to Moody’s economist Mark Zandi (a campaign advisor to John McCain), the $61 billion in spending cuts proposed by the House GOP will cost the economy 700,000 jobs this year and next.

Cutting the budget deficit now is more important than boosting the economy. Untrue. With so many Americans out of work, budget cuts now will shrink the economy. They’ll increase unemployment and reduce tax revenues. That will worsen the ratio of the debt to the total economy. The first priority must be getting jobs and growth back by boosting the economy. Only then, when jobs and growth are returning vigorously, should we turn to cutting the deficit.

Medicare and Medicaid are the major drivers of budget deficits. Wrong. Medicare and Medicaid spending is rising quickly, to be sure. But that’s because the nation’s health-care costs are rising so fast. One of the best ways of slowing these costs is to use Medicare and Medicaid’s bargaining power over drug companies and hospitals to reduce costs, and to move from a fee-for-service system to a fee-for-healthy outcomes system. And since Medicare has far lower administrative costs than private health insurers, we should make Medicare available to everyone.

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. Don’t believe it. Social Security is solvent for the next 26 years. It could be solvent for the next century if we raised the ceiling on income subject to the Social Security payroll tax. That ceiling is now $106,800.

It’s unfair that lower-income Americans don’t pay income tax. Wrong. There’s nothing unfair about it. Lower-income Americans pay out a larger share of their paychecks in payroll taxes, sales taxes, user fees, and tolls than everyone else.
Demagogues through history have known that big lies, repeated often enough, start being believed — unless they’re rebutted. These seven economic whoppers are just plain wrong. Make sure you know the truth – and spread it on.

fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Oct 19, 2011 - 10:34am PT
Comrade F,

Dellums is now working for us, there is hope for you too.



The evil one
Dr. F.

climber
Retired Climber, So Cal
Oct 19, 2011 - 10:45am PT
Credit: Dr. F.
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Oct 19, 2011 - 10:50am PT
The French socialists are waking up, time for Obama and the ST socialists to learn capitalism:

In a vote that may have serious consequences for Europe’s economic crisis, the French Socialist Party showed laudable level-headedness this week in selecting the moderate Francois Hollande as its presidential candidate for next year’s election


it would have been easy for Hollande or his principal rival for the nomination, Martine Aubry, to appeal to class resentment or reduce their nation’s troubles to the supposed domination of the all-purpose foreign boogeyman, the “Anglo-Saxon” economic model that values profit more than people.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-19/france-s-socialists-are-getting-realistic-on-europe-economic-crisis-view.html


Time to boot Obama out and close down OWS.


Bwahahahahahahaha


The evil one
Dr. F.

climber
Retired Climber, So Cal
Oct 19, 2011 - 10:52am PT
Credit: Dr. F.

Many Scientists Believe In Intelligent Design

In October of 2006, before Bachmann emerged as a superstar of the conservative movement, the Minnesota congresswoman raised eyebrows when she suggested that a sizable portion of the scientific community discredits the theory of evolution.

Bachmann said, "There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design."


More recently, Bachmann discussed her views on the matter at this year's Republican Leadership Conference.

"I support intelligent design," she told reporters at the conservative gathering, according to CNN. "What I support is putting all science on the table and then letting students decide. I don't think it's a good idea for government to come down on one side of scientific issue or another, when there is reasonable doubt on both sides."
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 19, 2011 - 10:53am PT
^^^ Hey! Nice pearl neckless but where is her Corn Dog? ^^^
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Oct 19, 2011 - 11:04am PT
Comrade F,

Learn from Ron Dellums, become a capitalist pig.


Bachmann, still in your fantasy dreams????? She's out of the race.



The evil one
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 19, 2011 - 11:06am PT
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/188443-reid-says-government-jobs-must-take-priority-over-private-sector-jobs


will libs ever learn?
Dr. F.

climber
Retired Climber, So Cal
Oct 19, 2011 - 01:52pm PT
will libs ever learn?
Learn What?
That Republicans are wrong about everything!!

No, we are truly amazed at new ways they can make complete idiots out of themselves, and still have the cultists vote for them
Its truly amazing

When will the cultists wake up, they've been used!, by complete idiots
Gary

climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
Oct 19, 2011 - 01:56pm PT


But, hey, those guys are working 390 times faster than the rest of, right?
Jorroh

climber
Oct 19, 2011 - 02:23pm PT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/17/millionaires-corporations-tax-breaks-sway-opinion

Fattrad, CC etc.
Just so you know where those arguments that you're brainlessly parroting come from.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 19, 2011 - 02:30pm PT
Hypothesis:

1. FatTrad finally shows the courage of his convictions, and visits Israel and Palestine.
2. He's taken hostage by Hamas.

How much would Hamas pay for the Israelis to take him back? Would Israel want him? After all his efforts to discredit AIPAC, the RNC, and so on, it seems doubtful.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 19, 2011 - 02:33pm PT
Not to mention he would probably eat Gaza out of house and hovel.
jghedge

climber
Oct 19, 2011 - 03:21pm PT
Credit: jghedge
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 19, 2011 - 03:28pm PT
it's no fun playing with children, Hedge

time to give it up and nuke this stupid thread
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Oct 19, 2011 - 03:38pm PT
Hedge,

You're a moron.

That community organizer had his people wander for forty years, suffer and work hard.

Your community organizer thinks he is god, promises immediate goodies and encourages people to laziness.


See the difference????????????



The evil one
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Oct 19, 2011 - 04:03pm PT
Fat wrote: Your community organizer thinks he is god, promises immediate goodies and encourages people to laziness.


Fat...I really don't post to this sh#t anymore and the above statement is one of the reasons why. You are a bullshit artist and a condescending POS.

Norton...nuke this thread. Don't give these fools a place to lay their turds.
Gary

climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
Oct 19, 2011 - 04:09pm PT
F*#k it, Norton, nuke it.

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