I guess "ultimate" is going to be relative to the skills of the beholder and how strong/fresh the memories are. For me, Goodrich Pinnacle Right Side is the latest...
It had me saying stuff like "Only the Penitent Man Shall Pass" and "Take the Leap of Faith", while thinking of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, when I was strung out on lead committed on fingernails and squeaky wet rubber.
I don't know about "ultimate", but some memorable ones are:
Rawl Drive in Tuolumne: scary!
Smoke Screen at Cal Domes: fun
Miroir d'Argentine in Switzerland: long cruiser
Honeymoon in Almo at Castle Rocks State Park, ID: short but fun
Hall of Mirrors has an ultimateness about it. One of the only routes where my shoes squeeked on the granite polish. (didn't get past pitch 7 ever though)
SOme longs ones over on Arches Apron are amazing too
Suicide Rock, especially the Weeping Wall, has an abundance of fun slab routes.
I think the ultimate slab is hard but not that steep because the joy of slabbing is facing the fear of the unspeakable consequences of the low-angle fall.
Nice low angle slab out at my favorite choss-pile:
As an aside, I find it interesting that slabs were considered cool stuff 30 years ago, certainly not trivial, but something with the right approach in your head, you could develop the style and mental/emotional strength to do well. Now, 99% of the climbers around here are really quite good at the sport thing, like doing 12s and 13s and some even 14s, but they think slab climbing is absolutley insane and scary and make all sorts of vague statements about how they're going out to Lankin Dome and Moonstone and get on those 10s (because holy sh#t, I'm a 5.12 climber and I can't let this 58 year old geezer skunk me on some low angle 5.10, heavens no), but they never seem to make the trip. I'm not all that great on the sport thing, it sometimes hurts too much to throw around 180lbs on that stuff, but it gives me an evilly good feeling inside to still be good at something they are totally freaked about. HEEHEEHEE.
Lots of great candidates here! and oooooh yeah Ron is right about the incredibly high quality of those routes on Lo-cal (Hammer) Dome; for that matter, LOTS of the slab routes in the Cal Dome area are incredibly good. We went over to Set the Controls or the other one next to it, 20-25 years ago, these routes weren't in some bootleg topos I'd somehow gotten a copy of (probably originated with Smith or Crawford or somebody - or maybe Ron!), so we had no idea of where routes went, rating, or anything. Figured we'd just follow the bolts and climb. First pitch of some kind of 10 went fine, but the next one, it was about two zip codes from each set of two little bitty black bumps where the leader had drilled, to the next. And what fantastic climbing in between! Seemed you could hardly clip even if there were more bolts. Two, three of these runouts went great, but at the end of the last one before it was obvious the difficulty was about to ease off a lot, I just couldn't keep enough focus to accomplish the thumbtip/toe mantle to stand up and clip, and ....aiiieeeeeeee! the big butt-slide. Wanted to get back on it all these years, and do all the others too. Great place.
Munge... While it is true that there are MANY fine slab routes out there I must pick up on something in the OP... Grack Marginal. I believe I have done that route 20+ times. I loved that route. It was my first (of not many) free-solos and it took on a whole new dimension when it was just me, some EBs and a bag of courage. A fine Walk in the Park
I hate to think of any route being the "ultimate". If there was one, why bother with others. I can think of many slabs that stand out in my memory, but here are two that I thought especially interesting.
There is a slab, maybe 30 degrees in steepness in the NF Kings canyon, next to a water slide. In order to repeat the water slide you have to walk up the slab out of a pool of water. Super delicate. Fun to struggle so much on such low angle, then feel your feet cut loose and go shooting back into the pool.
Nearby on Patterson Bluffs right there is a section near the top of the bluff with large (body sized) scallops. The scallops provide friction climbing on a pretty steep wall. I don't recall any edges, so we had to use pure friction to mantel from one divot to the other. Totally weird.
Yosemite, Crest Jewel
TM, Miss Adventure
Courtright, Esto Power
T&S, Magical Mystery Tour
Dome Rock, About Face
But I think the most memorable slab I've done is The Prow of The Cobra, Kings Canyon, Gorge of Despair. This route has it all. It's sufficiently long, achieves a real summit, is remote in a truly spectacular setting, and is at the moderate grade of 5.9 but it is continuous and sparsely protected being devoid of bolts (FA 1979 Gary Valle and Phil Warrender.)
This is the start:
Kris Solem starting up The Prow of Cobra, Gorge of Despair, Kings Canyon CA, 1994...
Photo by Guy Keesee.
Credit: Guy Keesee
Here's the slab and summit ridge, Blue Canyon behind:
The Gorge of Despair: Frustration Turret, El Corporale and El Commandante Turrets, The Cobra and Crystal Turrets viewed from the summit of The Silver Turret.
Credit: Guy Keesee
The Descent, Tehipite Dome behind:
Kris Solem rapping off The Cobra. Corporale and Commandante Turretsand Tehipite Dome in view.
Warbler, I can't remember from all the rebolting threads, can you also say "new fattie bolts" - check for Black Primo? (Can't pass up another opportunity to say THANKS to Roger Brown, Clint Cummins, and all the other many people who've worked to resurrect the huge list of all-time classic face routes on MCR and elsewhere.)
Also, while I'm partial to local areas, here's a tip of the hat to a superb one-pitch slab route at City of Rocks: Science Friction. Superb route, great pro, but alas, not done enough to scuff off all the patina of DG particles, which accumulate on your rope tarp like snow. Next time I'll bring a push broom and sweep each section from bolt to bolt before climbing it.
Includes discussion of what a slab climb is - essentially, something where friction is the main means of ascent. Usually between 30 and 70 degrees in angle. Many routes referred to above are face climbs, not slab climbs. Solid Gold, for example.
Isn't Solid Gold - the first pitch, anyway - almost all edging on sharp flakes, on a fairly steep wall? The second pitch is a flake crack, then a traverse crack that leads to the top.
"I think the ultimate slab is hard but not that steep because the joy of slabbing is facing the fear of the unspeakable consequences of the low-angle fall."
For myself, I would modify this to say that the joy of slab is in getting away, just barely, with moves on holds so tenuous as to be almost unbelieveable to you. And when you're done, you feel a bit mentally taxed. It doesn't matter what the rating or run-out-ness is, whatever rating evokes that feeling in you.
Is that masochistic?
In Yosemite the pitches that have stuck in my mind are the ones on the south flank of Daff in TM, with those amazing glassy patches, and things like Dead Babies and Lean Years on GPA. Another slab that has stuck in my mind over the years as being very satisfying was one called Spud meets Hammerhead, in City of Rocks, Idaho.
The most mentally shattered and satisfied at the same time I've ever been after a slab was after the 11.c pitch on Piece de Resistance on Fairview, and I didn't even lead that one. I was already feeling a bit mentally taxed going into it from leading a few of the pitches before that. My partner, Chan, and I were trading off wearing the pack. He had just onsighted the crux pitch lead, calling out at one point, "I can't believe I'm doing these moves". I seconded, acutely aware of the disturbance of equilibrium of the pack, that slight sway with every move, and just got away with not falling by the slimmest of margins. I'm ashamed to admit that I was so mentally shattered after that pitch that I declined to lead anything else on the route, even though the hard climbing was over. Chan was annoyed to have to lead the rest of the pitches and I don't blame him - it's not good to let a partner down like that.
Looking Glass and Stone mountain have good slab climbing. The kind of slap moves that have no handholds and it is all footwork friction. Slab always gets good when it becomes climbing from foot dish to foot dish and not worrying about any handolds, just a palm down mantle move now and then and smearing away. In my opinion it seems like a lot of "slab" climbs are just low angle face. If there is an edge to crimp even with finger nails it is loosing slabness.
Pretty sure Hall of Mirrors has had more than two Ascents. One of the guys I learned from said (If I remember correctly so don't hold him too it if I get this wrong) he did it and it was a "career climb" for him. Tony Calderone is his name.
Squamish Slab: Dream Symphony link up, Magic Carpet Ride (yet to do)
Somebody mentioned Stoner's Highway. That's a fine one.
Tightrope on GPA is a five star classic. Anyone else done it?
No, tell all. I've done almost everything on the apron within my capability so there must be a devil in the details on that one. I won't give five star classic status to any death route btw.
I did Tightrope with Todd Tremble about 20 years ago. Sustained and runout, but that was back when i was sportin a hone.
We used to call it face climbing. Heres my list:
J tree:
Black Tide
stick to what
EBGB's
7th heaven
Suicide:
Serpentine
sundance
season's end
The valley:
Coonyard pinnacle
Tightrope
Snake Dike
Check this out...Slab Daddy (V 5.10+ A0) Squire Creek Wall near Darrington, Washington. I haven't done it but "50" who posts here sometimes did it with one of his buddies last summer.
we got the sh#t workin down there like nobody's bidness,
sandstone is the only real slab.
why? because.
it has about 15.7 times the variations in holds that granite has.
you get up there, and you say, next hold: should i take the chicken head?
pinch the cranberry?
finger bang the ant hole?
reach into the bat cave?
mantle up the friction crack? .....
no wait, no good cracks in sand stone,
can i pull this post? i just made an ass out myself, is it too late to retract this dribble?
is it too late to load up some more Gush?
we think not, for we have seen the light, and it was black,
...and Slab Daddy is a fine route indeed Tradster. Most of the pitches are as solid as the best pitches I've done on GPA and the 5.10 pitches are smeary slab, hardly any edging. The rock doesn't have the sandy ball-bearing stuff that can spoil a route. The only down side to Slab Daddy that takes away from the "ultimate" status, for me at least, is the huge ledges on the lower section. Its just not as cool as the GPA's small belay stances and "pinnacles". But it gets better up higher; its steeper and more exposed.
I drafted up a poem about MCatheralR north apron's "Cat Dancing" the other rainy day. Since it's on my office's pc, I've no choice but to leave you hanging suspended from some sun bleached and frayed slings until I can post it up like tomorrow.
GPA leads include Dead Babies and Ephemeral Clog Dance at my upper limit. Muchos grande following GPA Chiropodist's Shop, and saving Burk's life on his FA of The Token. Misty Beetoven 3x, including a trip up to the 4th or 5th stance w/Scott.
Followed the first of several pitches of Mother's Lament, Tightrope, led Hoppy's up to our previous high point, but still below Hoppy's Creed, or the real business pitches.
I led the 1st pitch of Middle Cathedral's Cat Dancing 5x before I finally finessed its 2nd pitch. I'll save my comments, such as they may be, for later.
Nice to have been led up both Quicksilver and Freewheeling in the same vicinity. Leading nearby Ramer, (or WTF) is great, but it is technically sport-pro'ed.
Onsight lead of the bottom half of Dream On, which is not too shabby when you take into account the runouts, the 1500 mile drive to Squeemish, and the fact that I had to troll for a partner (just don't let go of the Rope!) on my arrival.
To draw my chest beating to a welcome close, let me conclude by mentioning that I bought most of Russ McClean's pin rack at a local yard sale he'd conducted. Tired of being the builder, he, somewhat older than I, had put his course upon an architectural education, the required M.Arch degree, and, after an 8 year internship (including school), professional registration. At the time, I was aware of his FA Lucifer's to Oasis.
But, I didn't offer any career advice, but simply paid $20 for a milk crate full of mostly useless iron. With enough KB's and other thins to make it worthwhile financially - mostly I just wanted to meet Russ.
I would say that the ultimate slab route has yet to be done and lies on the East Face of Mt. Watkins to the west of "Escape from Freedom" (VI 5.12c) that Urmas Franosch and I did back in 1988. Scott Burke did some exploring in that area back in 1987 and traversed out to the big water holes at the base of the huge face. It's certainly there, but no one has put a shoe on it in over 20 years. Logistics are a problem certainly, but talk about an epic slab route in the 5.13 range! Never seen anything that even comes close to the potential slab climb that exists in embryo out there.
Credit: Bruce Morris
Only trouble is that anyone who would do it nowadays would rap bolt it, rather than lead it ground up. But what the heck! Sure would be an amazing adventure no matter what way it was done. So, okay kids, get those 120+ lb packs ready and start hauling in water for a real epic siege!
Greasy But Groovy on the Arches Apron has a bit of a reputation. Some other, nearby routes are also notorious.
Ironically, the Great Slab Route on the Column doesn't even qualify for this topic.
The El Capitan Apron between the Dihedral and Aquarian Walls might just be the Ultimate Slab. Wings of Steel looked, to me, like it might go free. The steep slabby sections on New Dawn that Leo Houlding free climbed looked harder than what I saw on the first two or three pitches of Wings of Steel.
I would say that the ultimate slab route has yet to be done and lies on the East Face of Mt. Watkins to the west of "Escape from Freedom"
Not much hope that ground up will survive there - everything will now be dropped into/ equipped on rappel I suspect.
Vitaliy M. has added some legit lines recently, but those are still not addressing the main wall farther West (which Bruce was probably referring to) and I still wouldn't call it a slab per-se. I'd call it a face I guess.
For a single pitch slab climb? less than 90 degrees, preferably with the fewest features possible, so knob climbs may be out
The hardest single pitch slab climb is most probably Territorio Comanche (proposed rating is 8c+) in La Pedriza (which already has established slab climbs at 8b+). The climber who sent the route, Ignacio Mulero describes the difficulties this way: the first three bolts consists of a V6 or V7 boulder of pure slab, almost without hands, followed by a 30 meter long, very continuous section with sustained movement like the hardest moves on the existing 8b+ slabs.
By today's definition the Dawn Wall is the ultimate slab route.
Impossible to argue with Jim here if we accept the common definition of "ultimate".
Modern climbers consider anything that is at, under or just over vertical a "slab" and the Dawn fits the bill.
For friction slab Hall of Mirrors by far, imo, under the "ultimate" definition.
For pure beauty and fun, Crest Jewel is not surpassed.
For a single pitch of quality I always thought Hogwash in the Meadows was as good as any. Bruce himself should chime in with what he considers his best pitch. That one would be worthy without question.
I was up there, on the Dawn Wall, last October, and saw Adam Ondra free a 5.14c pitch from about thirty feet away from him.
It was not exactly slab climbing. But, it was not exactly crack climbing, either. The crux was a corner with a knifeblade seam, with the ubiquitous scars that would not quite take a pinky finger. He performed a series of varied moves to get past an otherwise A3 section. He did quite a bit of oppositional friction face maneuvers on the vertical corner.
I think its preposterous to consider the Dawn Wall a slab climb in that only the bottom pitches can be seen as less than vertical.
Slab has historically, and has no logical reason otherwise to change, been where the majority of the climb is under or just under vertical aka 90 degrees.
To take an overhang and call it slabby is to remove all coherent meaning of the word when talking about the majority of the climb's style. Whether you want to define a 'vertical' climb as tending to slabby because 49 percent of it is less than vertical is arguable, but not the majority.
The 'ultimate' aspect of an ultimate slab climb is one where the aesthetic of the style is necessary to make progress in the most continuous series of moves without resort to alternative style of movements that are not in the slab category.
While difficulty is possibly a factor in pushing a climb toward ultimate status since it removes other styles from helping upward progress, a moderate line with more continuity of the exemplary type of moves of a slab would be more deserving in a stack ranked list.
Now which line do you think is the ultimate slab?
Runout, gear vs. bolt, should not be dispositive.
Glacier Point climbs?
Darrington?
Stone Mountain!
Joshua Tree climbs?
Another criteria: it's not really a slab route unless there are so few holds that you're just trying to step on colors and shadows. And hands are just extra weight
There is no such thing as "the" ultimate slab route, IMO. And I'm reasonably serious, although I'm not going to try and convince anybody to buy into that line of reasoning.
Perhaps the definition of ultimate allows many routes to qualify as long as they meet some listed criteria (as seems to be the case)? Ultimate seems to imply singularity, and there is simply to much rock out there with too many superb lines to single anything out as an ultimate.
Personal taste also further muddies the waters.
I agree that deciding which routes are of the highest quality involves, or should involve, more than rating.
From what I've seen over the years just on ST alone, we'll never agree on the definitions of slab vs face, much less on what constitutes an ultimate.
In the past few years my main partner and I have done slab routes (anything < vertical, the traditional definition mentioned by Munge) that we felt were the best routes we had done at their respective grades - ever. But that doesn't make them our own, much less anyone else's, "ultimate".
Trying to find and climb an ultimate does/could make for a fun quest though.
Edit: Hey Munge, aren't you supposed to be doing slab routes somewhere today instead of posting here?
The guidebooks of the Fell and Rock Climbing Club, which was founded in 1906, offer the following: "The angle of a glacis is such that it can be walked up; a slab is steeper; whilst a wall is nearly vertical and may overhang. The slopes are approximately: below 30 degrees, between 30 and 75 degrees, above 75 degrees."
The Canadian Oxford Dictionary defines wall as "a vertical rock face, such as one that lies exposed on the steep side of a mountain" and glacis as "a gently sloping bank".
Enough of the nonsense about a "slab" being anything even slightly less than vertical.
This forum is so California-centric. There are plenty of granite slabs in places other than Yosemite. Places that are not crowded.
How about Nomash Slab on Greyback Peak--Vancouver island? 14 pitches - sport bolted, 5.10b. Amazing climbing in a isolated wilderness, temperate rainforest.
Sorry, but a 1906 definition really means nothing. Definitions change with the time, language is not static, it is either "living" (changing continually) or dying (ancient usages are static). Whatever the current definition among aficionados is the definition. Of course, a word can mean different things to different people, or different groups around the world. That is the beauty of living language.
A Slab is anything less or slightly overhanging to the top free climbers ie To Bolt or Not to Be (5.14a) is a slab at dead vertical to slightly overhanging.
Dawn Wall is a slab, albeit with a lot of hard laybacking pitches too. They have to be near dead vertical to be 5.14d....
To me (FWIW) the "friction slab" type of route are the low angle granite slabs. Not the same thing at all though some of them are brilliant, imo.
The Oxford English Dictionary, online, provides the following subsidiary definition of the noun "slab". It is the definitive and a current source as to the origin and use of words in English.
Mountaineering. A large, smooth body of rock lying at a (usu. sharp) angle to the horizontal.
You'll note that it doesn't say "nearly vertical", or any such thing - the reference is to the horizontal. And yes, they quote a variety of sources for the usage, some quite modern.
Using "slab" to describe something that's vertical is typical climber-jargon, and so quite sloppy.
(I was pleased to discover that the public library provides free online access to the OED.)
They don't update every single word every year by polling Ondra and Tommy et al. And the meaning is what the climbers say it is, not a dictionary that is outdated the second it is published. The editors themselves will tell you that.
And with all due respect to ksolem, the guys at the leading edge of free climbing call routes like the Dawn a slab and TBoNTB a slab...don't shoot the messenger (me). Anytime the holds are super tiny and you are standing on your feet is a slab to them.
Munge, we're hoping maybe we'll get a tour of the "west" from you this year. It would be fun to do some of those slab, face, wall, or whatever the heck they are routes.
"Holding that the Constitution protected all obscenity except "hard-core pornography." Stewart wrote, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."
Just having a little fun. As, I think, are some climbers who refer to "vert and slightly overhanging" as slab. It has always been stylish to make light of difficulties.
You mention friction slab. That stuff has to be relatively low angle, although it's very impressive what can be done without holds. And so slab with holds can be a lot steeper. But despite the statements of a very few, slab is by definition less than vert.
edit: At least Henny has a sense of humor here... :-)
The ultimate slab route I've done is Space Babble.
Independent line, excellent rock, minimal bolting, some tricky technical climbing at the cruxes, continuously interesting climbing, sublime setting, mentally challenging, a direct weakness centered on what was a large chunk of unclimbed Yo granite.
Not hard by today's standards, and one of the shortest approaches to a route of its standard in The Valley, but still rarely climbed as far as I know.
@Ksolem and there you have it. Fundamentally any word comes down to what it means to the individual, what makes it to a dictionary is just the majority opinion.
But if we are going to take the dictionary in hand then one interpretation of "ultimate" is going to be the hardest slab and that is the Dawn Wall. The crux traverse has every quality of slab climbing, tiny feet and tiny handholds, its just steep enough to be 5.14d. Think "Finger Tips" of DAFF dome...at 85-90 degrees instead of ~60 or whatever it is to be only 5.10a.
Really, we are talking the difference between easy and ultimate hard slab and the steepness has everything to do with it.
Finally did "Balls" at Tollhouse this year. Four stout pitches of 5.9 run-outish slab. My calves hurt for a week afterwards. Really great route. Tollhouse is "In Season" right now yall!
That's not slab micro, that's friction slab. Slab is a vertical to slightly overhanging face with small holds. But steep face is not face climbing, it's slab climbing. Haven't you been paying attention?
I'm with you Micro. I started and continued on friction slab for a number of years, mainly at Tollhouse throughout the early 90's. Balls is definitely a sustained 5.9 friction slab which always had my full attention!
On a humorous note, I love it when little gym rats that boast of pulling "V6", give an old school Tollhouse friction slab a try. Quite a show! :) Remember 'Funnel Runnel' at Lost Eagle, Micro? Witnessed a "5.12" climber bail off that route. ??????????
The ex-wife soloing the join up pitch for Tollhouse Traverse/Elephant Walk/Wandering Taoist etc. I used to "run" the Traverse and that friction slab pitch for time.....starting at the Hanger Slab down to the base and up the Traverse, then back to the Hang Glider Slab. Best time: 21 min 12 seconds. Got pretty comfy "running" up this section.
I keep hoping that kingtut will tell us about his climbs on the pyramids, and whether they're slabs or not.
When the Pyramids still had intact limestone sheathing they were slabs...but now are 3rd class block hiking (but banned due to tourists getting hurt). :P
To be sure, I have no more experience on the Dawn Wall than the next internet rock jockey, but have put up a few slabs. Deviltry in the Valley is on some of the best rock there. Give it a try :).
If anything less than overhanging is Slab climbing, 99.9% of granite climbing is Slab climbing.
I think we'd have to say so unless the holds are very positive (critical criteria). Granite just doesn't lend itself to overhanging face on positive holds much.
Dave I still can't believe when I hear those tales of you running laps on that thing that fast. I still feel a little insecure when I take the lead on that last pitch of Elephant Walk. And that shot of Deb (I only know her name from the MP page and that photo) has always given me sweaty palms.
For the longest time when I was a teenager, Tollhouse and Courtright were the only place I climbed. We never called it "slab" climbing. It was just "rock climbing" cause its all we knew!
Turns out I was a slab climber without ever knowing it.
Sometimes innocent, sometimes ignorant, most often insecure, but there are better ways to be stylish in the climbing world.
It's a rare time when I have to disagree with Mr. Worral. Or perhaps not so much a disagreement as a lack of clarity on my part.
To say that the fine art of competing for the alpha position while at the same time being popular and well liked is innocent, ignorant, or insecure misses my point.
I think that making light of difficulties, as a point of style, takes confidence, charisma, and of course accomplishment. Otherwise, as you describe, it falls flat on its face.
So yes there are better ways to be stylish in the climbing world. I think that mostly happens on the rock? What happens later in talking about it is another artful thing. BTW I think its awesome when handled by the right person.
Perhaps Ksolem, you overlooked the oblique reference to Bridwell's 1973 (?) article in Climbing about ratings and downrating titled "The Innocent, the Ignorant, and the Insecure".
And Oplopanax, I'm well aware of overhanging freeclimbing on granite, hence the 99.9% estimate. There's a shitload of less than vertical granite out there. If you took square footage of granite in YNP, probably well less than .1% would be overhanging.
For myself, I would modify this to say that the joy of slab is in getting away, just barely, with moves on holds so tenuous as to be almost unbelieveable to you. And when you're done, you feel a bit mentally taxed. It doesn't matter what the rating or run-out-ness is, whatever rating evokes that feeling in you.
That's sums it up.
God invented slabs so fat old men could still go out and climb.
Credit: Gary
Tough Shiites
Credit: Gary
On Prime Interest:
Credit: Gary
After leading my pitch, things are more relaxed:
Credit: Gary
After we got down from Prime Interest, which features 30 feet between bolts, JohnX asked us if we ever looked down while on lead. Big Daddy said, "No. There was nothing down there for us but death and dismemberment."
A thorough search of my failing memory has resulted in a recollection of a time when I actually "enjoyed" being on a slab.
In the early 70's my Berkeley University gf was in the Valley resulting in one of the half dozen times or so that I dropped acid. We happened to be at the bottom of the Apron and before I knew it I found myself, barefoot and unclothed, happily perched in a no fall zone on 5.6 slab terrain. I seem to recall spending some time there before wandering back down.
i always loved Lovers Leap for slab.. Fantasia,,,OMG. Even the East Wall crack's are mostly slab climbing with a crack nearby for protection. Like the East Corner, just succulent 😛
We've all become slabbers without realizing it...it's in our DNA and not our choice. It's time to stand proud and fly our rain-bowed slabber flag before friends and family and come out proudly from our "Schlock and Vice" magazine prison of what a normal climber should be. I'm a slabber AND I'M PROUD!
BTW, what are you doing tonight?
Let us know!