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Gene
climber
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No, they should all get the death penalty.
But some don’t. Therefore the current system is not just.
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Ed Bannister
Mountain climber
Victorville, CA
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Contemplate;
The same person opposed to the death of a serial killer, is for the death of the defenseless and innocent unborn.
Whether or not you agree, or disagree, isn't that just odd?
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dirtbag
climber
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But FOR the life of the mom.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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nobody is "for the death of the defenseless and innocent unborn", some are against forcing their ideas of morality upon others.
contemplate:
if so-called pro-lifers are so opposed to abortion, why don't they advocate for social programs that would limit the demand for the practice in the 1st place?
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Contemplate;
The same person opposed to the death of a serial killer, is for the death of the defenseless and innocent unborn.
Whether or not you agree, or disagree, isn't that just odd?
Certainly no more odd than the fact that the same person fighting so hard to save the lives of the unborn are happy to abandon them upon their birth, let them grow up in horrible slum, where they barely get an education, have no health care, etc etc; and then that same person is happy to see the individual put to death when the sh#t finally hits the fan.
And definitely no more odd than that the same person who wants to see abortion eliminated will insist on pushing for "abstinence only" education which has been shown time and again to be far far less effective in reducing unwanted pregnancies (which are overwhelmingly the type that end in abortion) and transmission of STDs than eduction of the proper use of condoms and other forms of birth-control.
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dirtbag
climber
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Because they are a tangled bundle of sexual repression and abhor providing contraceptives that will enable people to make free choices about their sexual practices. It goes against their narrow, medieval, theocratic vision of the world.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
So. Cal.
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So the bleeding heart message to the world is...
Murder as many people as you want, in as greusome and heinous way as you want and when we catch you, your punushment will be, we will throw you in jail and give you free food, clothes and shelter, all at taxpayer expense for the rest of your life!
We will even have sympathy for you if your a minority, poor, stupid,
uneducated, lazy, or any combo of these.
We will always doubt the "evidence" or assume it's societies fault.
(There's just not enough "anti-murder" social programs!)
To really get some sympathy, just fake that you've become a Christian. Then even the liberals who can't stand Christians and
spend way too much time trying to put them down, will suddenly
claim that your new found Christianity is "proof" that you "have changed" (implying for the better...I know, it doesn't make sense, just play along).
If your really lucky, and maybe write some kids books or start "denouncing" crime etc....you just might get nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize!
Hahahahahaha!!! Can you believe that?
Suckers!!!
But don't worry, we wouldn't do something so"wrong" as use the death penalty.
We are so much more "enlightened" than that.
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dirtbag
climber
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Newsflash: having the state murder people will not make it better.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
So. Cal.
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It's a jury of your peers not "the state".
The people voted for the death penalty.
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dirtbag
climber
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Okay, having people murder people will not make it better.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Gene wrote...
"What do any of you gain from his death?"
Answer.........One less Tookie
Well, no. I don't think anyone's seriously lobbying for him to be released. So, regardless, society has one less Tookie. It's just a question of whether you kill him or not.
And good job not stereotyping us liberals up there.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
So. Cal.
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We gain an empty cell, ready to house another criminal.
Overcrowding is such a problem.
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WBraun
climber
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What does one gain from his death?
Capital punishment relieves the murderer from the karma he has created. If capital punishment is not enacted the murderer will be reborn and murdered the same way he did in his past life.
Society that enacts capital punishment under the law of the courts and the executor do not constitute murder nor does it incur any karma.
Just like a soldier in war under the command of his superior who kills the enemy does not constitute murder nor does it incur karma.
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dirtbag
climber
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Okay Locker, it is a lawful killing, but the malice aforethought part of the definition applies and is the most troubling aspect.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sure, spending life in prison is such a cake walk.
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dirtbag
climber
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Locker, I don't care about Tookie. I care about us. I care about the fact that having us kill or torture people to satisfy some primal, gut level blood lust debases us and makes us cruel. It sickens me to be a part of that. We should be better people than that.
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Hootervillian
climber
Hooterville
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If you want to fight for life, fight where it really makes sense.
exactly locker, now can we all think of a place where a slew of innocent people are dying and gonna continue dying, where not only may we have culpability, but a chance to affect a change that might save alot of just regular 'ol people like you and me.
One less tookie?
creating Martyr's by acting out a revenge based justice system for the purpose of public opinion gives you 5 more tookies, 10 more Dahmer's and 1000 more Osama's.
Great idea, parade him around the MSM so all of us are 'up in arms' over how good he's got it for being a murdering bastard. plenty of lead in time, make sure everybody's 'informed'.
Then wack him.
Sound strategy for creating a martyr.
now why do you think that is?
Ed. no hints FT, you already know, you started this thread.
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dirtbag
climber
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"If we were to get rid of that side of us, what would you do if someone were raping your daughter right in front of you? Just watch???... "
Different circumstances, my friend. That would be killing in self defense, or actually, in defense of a family member. I would have no problem killing in that circumstance.
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dirtbag
climber
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Locker, what is the reality? We have a CHOICE whether to do this, whether to give in to our desire for blood lust. We are thinking beings. That is the reality.
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dirtbag
climber
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If I was with you watching your child being raped and you could not stop it, then I would kill the bastard, but only right then: not later. The only time killing is justified is when it is done in self defense and by that I mean killing at the moment that a threat to life or limb exists or perhaps pre-emptive killing when there are no alternatives and there is an actual threat.
Yes, we are animals, but we are capable of thinking rationally rather than acting on impulses. The Tookies of the world may not be capable of such thought, but most of us are if we try.
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