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madbolter1
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Denver, CO
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Jan 21, 2019 - 07:47pm PT
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^^^ LOL! That!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 23, 2019 - 08:44am PT
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Robb, thank you!
Looking at the NE-KC stats you wonder how it went to OT even without Stevie Wonder’s ref crew.
First downs NE 36-18
rushing NE 48/176 vs 12/41
TOP NE 44 minutes to KC’s 21!!!
Lambs’ D is much better than KC’s* as is their running game. Gotta go with da Lambs.
KC’s D coordinator got sh!tcanned yesterday. It took them 2 days?
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Ed Hartouni
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Livermore, CA
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Jan 23, 2019 - 09:17am PT
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from 1960 to 2000 the Patriots weren't much to watch... but the late 1990s brought a transition and the last 20 years has been much more fun...
I know a lot of you aren't that interested, but it is amazing what they've done.
The Rams v. Pats will be interesting to watch, especially the line play. The 4th quarter of the Pats v. Chiefs saw the offenses score essentially at will against the defenses. I haven't seen the Rams play (except waiting for a flight in the airport when they played the Saints in the regular season) but I am familiar with some of the players.
As usual, lots of random factors will be amplified in this final game. Perhaps the best thing the Pats D has is the ability to confuse a young quarterback. Will that offset the Rams D line's ability to disrupt an old quarterback?
We'll see soon enough
I'm thinking low scoring first half, high scoring second...
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Jan 23, 2019 - 09:22am PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 23, 2019 - 09:30am PT
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Yes, Ed H, I was going to mention how the Pats held The Prodigal to only 50% - far below
his usual, what, 70%? I think Goff is smarter but I’m sure the man behind the curtain will
cook up some tricky defensive alignments. Should be a good game.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jan 23, 2019 - 01:42pm PT
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Is the NFL rigged?
The penalty calls (or lack thereof) to get the pats and lambs to the bowl were questionable.
Lambs and Pats give a greater market than the Saints/Chiefs.
I could care less about the Pats and Lambs. Would have rather see the Saints/Chiefs in the bowl/
I don't know about that. Pre-Mahomes, Pats would have been a bigger draw. But with Mahomes, I'm not so sure about that. A KC Super Bowl would have been a chance to drum up excitement for the next new thing. The NFL isn't going to be able to rely on Brady much longer.
I think Brees would be a bigger draw than LA. Sure, LA is a bigger TV market, but I"m not sure that matter for the Super Bowl. Now I have heard some argue that the NFL is desperate to make LA and their new stadium a success. So I suppose.
There were bad calls both ways. For instance, both TEs (Gronk and Kelce) were blatantly pushing off on their routes. Neither got called. If they had wanted to tip it, those would have been easy to call one way and not the other.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 23, 2019 - 01:44pm PT
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Ed T with the most accurate map ever,lol. Go Rams
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jan 23, 2019 - 01:48pm PT
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Looking at the NE-KC stats you wonder how it went to OT even without Stevie Wonder’s ref crew.
First downs NE 36-18
rushing NE 48/176 vs 12/41
TOP NE 44 minutes to KC’s 21!!!
Lambs’ D is much better than KC’s* as is their running game. Gotta go with da Lambs.
The big difference are the picks that Brady threw. The other thing is that KC is not a grind it out offense. Big passing plays don't generate a lot of first downs or time of possession and KC got big yards from PI by the Pats DBs.
Lambs' D might be better, but their offense isn't as good. KC - LA was a 54-51 game during the regular season. Seems hard to say that they are substantially better.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 24, 2019 - 02:32pm PT
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 24, 2019 - 03:59pm PT
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I read team that wins the overtime coin toss wins 60% of the time. If that's accurate it's a slight advantage but all the defense has to do is stop a TD drive at any point, Rams had 3 3rd downs converted on them. It's interesting that the most complaining I've ever heard about the overtime rule is when it helps the Pats. Maybe they could change the rule, but really it's not a huge unfairness like so many are making it out to be.
The idea the game is rigged is a huge stretch. The ability to keep a conspiracy like that silent is near impossible. And what's the motivation? 90% of people are sick of the Pats, the league wants parity badly. And if Brady's in it they would have love to have Brees. A Brady / Brees superbowl, two of the best QBs of their generation finally facing off would have been huge.
Deflategate showed how hard it would be to rig the league. The league did everything they could to railroad the Pats (who may or may not be guilty) and when it went to court the leagues lies and inaccurate leaks were exposed and the ridiculous inaccuracy of their testing and lack of knowledge of what conditions do to the ball was also exposed. If that investigation was so screwed up I don't think for a second the could run a successful conspiracy to favor some teams to win.
The blow DPI call was huge. I think the challenge flag should apply to those calls. But there are blown calls in every game. Hopefully they even out. The Saints had a chance to win after that and won the coin toss in overtime. So it was huge but wasn't the only reason the Saints lost.
The funniest thing though was the reaction to the Edelman non muffed punt. People are so adamant there wasn't enough evidence to overturn it but remarkably they had video angles that showed the ball clearly didn't touch either hand or his arm. This was an entirely objective situation, where there was conclusive evidence and still people see what they want to see.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jan 24, 2019 - 04:38pm PT
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. If that's accurate it's a slight advantage but all the defense has to do is stop a TD drive at any point, Rams had 3 3rd downs converted on them. It's interesting that the most complaining I've ever heard about the overtime rule is when it helps the Pats. Maybe they could change the rule, but really it's not a huge unfairness like so many are making it out to be.
When was the last time that a team that won the OT coin toss decided to play D first? The teams all think it is an advantage.
Sure, all the D has to do is get a stop. Back with the original OT rules, all you had to do was stop them from kicking a field goal. Why not just keep those rules?
There is nothing in the rules that say the league has to be balanced between offense and defense. Maybe it worked ok for the regular season, at least in the past. The playoffs are dominated by QBs that can score in the fourth quarter after the other team's D is gassed. And scoring is going up in the league. I would like to see changes to the rules so that the team that wins the toss doesn't always choose to start on offense.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 24, 2019 - 05:30pm PT
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As I said if the stat is accurate it's a slight advantage. It didn't matter in the Rams game (both teams had possession) and the Pats had to convert 3 3rd downs for it to matter.
But yes the league has become more friendly to offense, and playoff QBs are often scoring at the end of the game. And it's a slight advantage and it would be good to have no advantage.
There's options for a rule change: OTs last 15 minutes. Each team gets the ball at least once or twice. Must go for two pt conversion ala CFL.
But if both teams get possession the team that plays second gets the advantage of knowing what they need to score to win.
As long as they don't go the college route and eliminate kick offs. OT should be just like the game. Don't be like soccer going to penalty kicks. WTF, penalty kicks are exciting, but it's like they play a completely different game to determine who wins.
Yeah it used to be first team to score could win with a field goal. But Johnny Unitas in the first NFL overtime game, which happened to be the 1958 championship, was setup for the winning FG, but decided to go for a TD instead because he didn't want to hear people whine about it and because he was bad ass.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 24, 2019 - 05:50pm PT
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Phuck the SuperBowl, the camping is not that good.
But seriously, the Pro Bowl is in a few days, I can hardly wait for the kickoff. Slo-mo touch football is so exciting.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jan 26, 2019 - 06:01am PT
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Now, the NFL is fining Rams cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman $26,739 for a hit the refs never saw.
"Hey guys.... we f*cked up. Let's shift the blame to a player."
"Yeah. That's the ticket."
Roger Goodell is a moron!
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jan 26, 2019 - 08:07am PT
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^^^ That last sentence in particular is so true.
I'm over the NFL. I'm not even going to bother with the SB.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 26, 2019 - 08:17am PT
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Two NFL rules that drive me crazy are ‘breaking the plane’ and ‘the ground can’t cause a fumble.’
The NFL should adopt rugby rules, from whence we came: you have to get the bloody ball
into the end zone and put it on the ground or carry it in with two feet. And if the ground can’t
cause a fumble then how come he fumbled? This endless examening of minutiae like ‘did his
knee touch a blade of fake grass before he fumbled’ is a sad metaphor for our society in general.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jan 26, 2019 - 01:16pm PT
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This endless examening of minutiae
If you don't like the instant replay review, fine. It's not perfect, but I think it overall improves the game. If you are going to have video review, then the refs are going have to make decision based on the video of things like 'did his knee touch a blade of grass?' I don't see the alternative.
I watch the vast majority of my sports viewing off the DVR, so a 3 minute review takes me about ten seconds of fast forwarding. If I watched everything live, I'm sure it would be more annoying.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jan 26, 2019 - 01:26pm PT
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As long as they don't go the college route and eliminate kick offs. OT should be just like the game. Don't be like soccer going to penalty kicks. WTF, penalty kicks are exciting, but it's like they play a completely different game to determine who wins.
I don't get the love affair with kickoffs. Anymore, it is usually into the endzone and the team gets it at the 25. Is that really that sacrosanct?
"It's tradition!". Yea, so what. Once upon a time the rules of football didn't allow a forward pass. Should they have kept that tradition?
If there are situations that can be improved, I'm for making improvements.
Kickoffs cause a disproportionate number of injuries. I would be fine with getting rid of it completely.
I don't watch soccer. I do watch hockey. In hockey for OT [regular season] they play five minutes of 3 on 3 sudden death before going to a shootout. That usually decides the game since it is far easier to score with fewer players on the ice. For playoff OT, I think it is a full period of sudden death. Not a fan of the shootout for deciding games.
For soccer, I would suggest some scenario where the offense has say 4 players and the defense has 3 players (not including goalie) and the offense has 30 seconds or so to score starting from mid-field. That seems "more soccer like" than penalty kicks. Teams alternate and get 5 chances or whatever works out.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 26, 2019 - 01:29pm PT
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I agree it has rectified a lot of bad calls but the game has no flow any more. Instant replay is
really just a not so clever ploy to sell more beer and Viagra. If they were really interested in
fairness they would simplify the rule book, but many refs are lawyers so that is anathema!
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