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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 10:44pm PT
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I think he's referring to a CARtel, Norton.
I do have solutions to all this too...shall I explain??? Other than killing bad guyz!!!
Serious!
EDIT: Skepty, why not tell me what's there first? What is the crux?
Is that so hard?
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Juan Maderita
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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You are also walking away from the reality of this thread without remarking on it. What say you? Okay, I'll bite: It's a horrendous situation that Mexico is in. The USA too, as it is a problem which greatly impacts both countries. I feel for the law abiding Mexican families who are caught in the crossfire. I know many people on both sides of the border who have suffered.
US citizens are shocked by the open cruelty of the cartels. What happens on the US side of the border is no less evil, but they have become desensitized to that. The violence from drug distribution affects every city. Our prisons are overflowing; many or most of the offenses are related to drugs. Countless billions of dollars have been spent since Reagan proclaimed a "War on Drugs" in the mid-eighties. There does not seem to be any hint of success, by either Federal Government, to stem the use, distribution, or violence.
I work with recovering addicts and their children on a daily basis. There is very little money spent on treatment programs. While the demand exists for illegal drugs, there will always be dealers, cartels, and violence. Clearly, the USA is "barking up the wrong tree" with the money spent to wage war on drugs and failing to fund treatment for addiction. If the USA diverted just 50% of the money toward treatment and prevention, I think it would make a significant dent in the problem.
Mexico has a different situation. The government is fighting highly organized and heavily armed cartels for control of the local, state, and federal governments, police, politicians, judiciary, etc. The stakes are high. That seems to qualify Mexico's war on drugs as a "civil war."
As for your ethnocentrism, do Mexicans behave in an ethno-centric manner? Do they have a term for NORTH of the border peolples??? Or are they innocent of classifying peoples? Sure, there is ethnocentrism everywhere. My observation is that Mexicans aren't silly enough to think that the world revolves around Mexico. There is a lot of national pride, which is not the same thing.
Yes, there are names for citizens of the USA: yanqui (Yankee), gringo (not derogatory as it once was), estadounidense (formal), gabacho (derogatory slang).
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 10:51pm PT
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Everyone take note.. AC, is geographically correct. Wow!!! You're a better man than me.
(Even though he prolly calls Mexico and Central Americans, South Americans too. But he's superior, so it's cool....)
fags..
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 10:55pm PT
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Juan, I appreciate your honesty!
I actually agree with you on many things. I think Mexico may be on a good cycle of recovery.
Let me list my solutions....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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"fags"
Why are they fags?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 11:01pm PT
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Norton, STFU!!! I w3as kidding!
The solution is jobs. The US should be doing more business with Mexico and SOUTH America and less with China....
We get a two-for. Less illegal immigration and closer shipping. There are way more benefits, but I won't list them...those are enough.
Once Mexico has a good manufacturing base, drugs become unnecessary. Bring them from drug supplier to manufacturing supplier. It's right there!!!!!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Bluering, STFU yourself. I am a fag, and I am not kidding.
Add that to your list of what I am.
1) a DEVIL
2) A Communist
3) a Fag
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
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Blue- I don't know how to make it any more clear than it was in the original post
You might want to research some of the recent studies (The Portugal Policy is one of many) that show when "junkies" are given unlimited access to pure drugs, they eventually wean themselves off and have less health problems because they aren't being exposed to the adulterants used to cut the drugs.
I'm guessing that you just want to spray rather than read. Have at it.
Edit: your post below is proof in point.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2010 - 11:20pm PT
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So , Skepy, you say let's have it it!!!! Free drugs for all???
Jim, NAFTA ain't right.....
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kbstuffnpuff
Sport climber
State of Confusion
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Mexico Drug Wars ain't got nuthin' on California Drug Peace.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Once Mexico has a good manufacturing base, drugs become unnecessary
Mexico does have a good manufacturing base.
And while I'm fairly sure that plenty of Mexicans take a toke now and again, the drugs that fuel the narco business are for the US, not Mexico. As long as people in the US want drugs, there will be a drug trade. It really has very little to do with whether or not Mexico has the capability to manufacture auto parts or electronics. US citizens, like your pot-smoking self, are the reason for the drug trade.
If you didn't want your pot, or your neighbor didn't want her coke, there would be no Mexican gangs smuggling drugs into the US. Why is this so hard to understand? Why do you want to bomb Mexico for a problem that is caused by your desire for drugs?
And, for what it's worth, nobody I know calls Mexico "South America." Well, except you. Some people in the US and Canada lump Mexico into a group with the countries immediately to its south under the term "Central America."
If you're looking for a term to encompass all the world south of the Rio Grande, try "Latin America."
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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This discussion is like Jerry Springer without the chairs...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Norton...you are a satanic , communistic , evolutionist homo....eastman , do you still ski race?...rj
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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I occasionally do a race but try to ski as much as possible and stay half-way fit. Recovering from foot surgery so climbing might be more fun in the future. TWACK!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Can anyone provide some hard information as to the incidence of violence in Mexico, perhaps broken down by state, over time? As compared say to the US? Surely there are statistics as to exactly how many violent crimes and deaths there are per 100,000 population per year. A bunch of lurid deaths are great tabloid fodder, but don't necessarily mean much.
It's pretty clear that there are some places in Mexico where there is considerable violence, some of it random. And that a good part of the problem is based on money received from Americans who buy drugs.
The news media up here loves to portray US cities, particularly inner cities, as homes to grotesque violence and crimes. Does that make it true?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Quote PC: If you smoke dope or consume other illegal drugs, you're part of the problem. Take personal responsibility.
Bears repeating. No demand. No drug lords.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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It is super scary how bad things have gotten down there.
Disclaimer. I don't smoke pot, drink or do any other recreational drugs.
The prohibition on most of these drugs has caused us far more social and economic problems then the actual drugs.. It's a no brainer to at least legalize and regulate weed. The best way to put a real hurt on the narcos is to hit them in their pocket books. Cheap legal drugs would be devistateing to them.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2010 - 12:11pm PT
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Dingus, for this discussion everything south of the US border is SA.
It makes the discussion easier. The drugs are largely produced in true SA and brought through Central America and trafficked though Mexico.
Let's just call it all SA for the sake of the discussion, esse.
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