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ground_up

Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
Jan 23, 2013 - 08:27am PT
What a mess.. i really want to get down to do some climbin
there again . Canon Tajo (sp?) is one of the coolest places
I have been ... seems kinda sketchy now ?

What is the answer to their problem ? Indeed it is not a
simple one.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 23, 2013 - 08:35am PT
It wouldnt be THAT difficult. Probably EASIER than dealing with the taliban.

Step 1 ) SEAL the border. REMOVE the avenues of trafficking. Then Send in the troops starting a mile into Mexico. Then advance that by a few miles every day.. Yep i said the USA needs to occupy Mexico for a while. There has got to be a TON of intel after all these years. We need to go after the puppet masters and give Mexico back to the GOOD MEXICANS as is should be. Those brave dudes with those single shot 16 gauges could use some HELP. If we wanna call ourselves the "world polizzze" youd THINK we could police our own bordering countries that are in such a deep shythole.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jan 23, 2013 - 08:39am PT
Vigilantism isn't a good answer. If the Mexican police and army can't stand up to them, these guys will get blown away. Particularly if the police are ineffective because of corruption, the vigilantees will have no protection.

In Colombia different parts are controlled by different criminal organizations, that fight over turf continuously. There are no communities that can kick all of them out. Perhaps this is cultural, Mexico seems to be heading down the road Colombia did in the early 90s, and I think the situation in Colombia has improved mainly because the problem moved somewhere else.

The only answer I can see is legalization, something the ex- Mexican Ambassador Jorge Castaneda always advocates. Legalize it and let the rich gringo drug addicts solve their own problems.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 23, 2013 - 09:05am PT
It wouldnt be THAT difficult. Probably EASIER than dealing with the taliban.

Step 1 ) SEAL the border. REMOVE the avenues of trafficking. Then Send in the troops starting a mile into Mexico. Then advance that by a few miles every day.. Yep i said the USA needs to occupy Mexico for a while.


Gee Ron, that does sound easy......
ground_up

Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
Jan 23, 2013 - 09:10am PT
Ron...that was my first thought also , our
military seems to police the world , why not
in our backyard (mexico) ? We put alot of
resources into border patrol why not keep
headin south and start cleanin house ?

I agree in the " legalize it " attitude also.
it will be interesting to see what plays out
over the next years ...
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 23, 2013 - 09:16am PT
When your government becomes corrupt and or othewise truly ineffective then others will step into the void.

Thus how the orginal mafia came to exist. Same in Mexico
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 23, 2013 - 09:20am PT
I didnt say it would be EASY Survival.. But imho,, it is NEEDED.. Towns like Ciadad Juarez are now missing half of the population which has been butchered.. We talk of care and concern for our Hispanic folk to the south- and letting them inm here, while doing NOTHING to make their country better. And then wonder why we have such problems starting here as well. This is a two bird with one stone maneuver in that regard.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:00am PT
Towns like Ciadad Juarez are now missing half of the population which has been butchered..

Ummm, not.

Juarez has a population of around 1.3 million?

10,000 deaths is way too many, but doesn't quite equal "half."


Any idea what it would take to control a city that size and still bump up the consulate in Benghazi?

Plus, if you haven't noticed, the violence has been on the decline, at least in Juarez.
Ciudad Juárez, notorious for its drug-cartel violence, has lived up to its nickname – “The Murder Capital of the World.” However, the war, which has resulted in over 10,000 deaths, may have finally reached its conclusion.

Ciudad Juárez has been a front for one of the most brutal drug wars in history. Beginning in 2008, the four-year-long war has produced a horrifying number of recorded (with several unrecorded) casualties – 1,623 in 2008; 2,754 in 2009; 3,115 in 2010; 2,086 in 2011 ; and – thus far – 542 casualties in 2012. According to Juarez municipal officials, this past August recorded 34 murders – which is the lowest monthly death toll recorded in five years.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:06am PT
then why do they flood across the border? Why do they now set up shop in our neighborhoods.. Why do we resort to such shinanigans as FAST and FURIOUS in a vane attempt to ID the cartels? The ONLY reason the violence is down in some towns IS that thousands have been murdered, and the rest have SHUT UP, cowering in their homes,, praying they arent next, while condoning all behaviors or else..

So YES,, military action in Mexico makes a hell of a lot more sense than anything we now do or have done in the ME...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:07am PT
If violence is truly on the decline, and not just being unreported, it is because they've killed
everybody they needed to and the rest are now in abject obeisance.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:19am PT
then why do they flood across the border?


BECAUSE THEIR ECONOMY HAS SUCKED FOR GENERATIONS!!

The flood did not start with drug wars. Jeez how old are you anyway?

Occupying Mexico will NOT stop their economy or government from SUCKING, it will NOT stop our appetite for drugs and it would NOT stop Mexicans from wanting to come to the USA.

An invasion just sucks as an idea, sorry man.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:22am PT
Definitely no point to invading Mexico, or in other words not enough financial incentive.

The USA only goes to war in these modern times if it involves National Security. ie Business
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:29am PT
Then fine,, let that country ROT in its current condition,, while whordes of gang bangers and ILLEGALS INVADE the USA. Thats working GREAT in Richland, Compton , LA, Sacto, etc etc etc. Perhaps 600 thousand illegal gang members from mexico here now. Causing our bills of incarceration, LEO activities and other funding to go through the roof.. I can imagine some of the local PD donates a majority of their funding every year to this very happening. So now,, i have to suffer from the gang just down the road from me.. The military and well regulated militias are SUPPOSED to handle just this type of thing no?



ps,, My mexican freinds think it would be a GREAT IDEA.. The good mexican folk have no problem with getting rid of the illegals - the same ones they left mexico over. And it wont affect the legal workers either.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Aug 2, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
Interesting map I found online. Sure looks like the Mexican Government is running things with some help.

Credit: dirt claud
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Mar 9, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
This is a little dated but I imagine it's as current generally as when it was produced.

Who's your bogeyman ? Things are seldom what they seem and real life is so much more interesting than the fictional side of religion.

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