boiling snow into water -- magic?

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Tuan DeLusion

Social climber
Dec 3, 2005 - 09:17pm PT
MIT must be an easy school to get into. Do they have special education courses?
Tuan DeLusion

Social climber
Dec 3, 2005 - 09:37pm PT
"RamJet"

LOL!
hobo

Trad climber
Dec 3, 2005 - 09:39pm PT
Just chimin in for suport here. I have melted my fair share of snow, and i have no doubt in my mind that if you do not add water to the snow your results will be less than favorable. i think 8 ounces in a 2 liter pot sounds about right as well, it will depend on the snow. Rajmit, let me be one of the many to say f*#k off.
hobo

Trad climber
Dec 3, 2005 - 10:00pm PT
Rajmit, why did you delete your post? I beleive it ended with:

Hobo, tu memmerdes...


Is that correct?
WoodyS

Trad climber
Riverside
Dec 3, 2005 - 10:26pm PT
No wonder the young and dumb die young.
1) Take two pots, one big one if you have it.
2) Heat about eight ounces of water in the smaller until it's luke warm. Have the other pot full of snow and someone standing by to get more snow.
3) Add snow at a reasonable pace to the warm water until the pot is full and all melted.
4) Poor about half or a little more of the water into bottles standing by.
5) Continue the process until all bottles are full.
As previously stated, do this in the evening before turning in; and sleep with the bottles at the bottom of your bag along with your boots.
Listen to experience and forget theory. I've melted snow from Alaska to Peru as I'm sure some of the others have on this thread.
You can melt without adding the water, but it takes longer and tastes terrible--"burnt snow".
Tuan DeLusion

Social climber
Dec 3, 2005 - 11:47pm PT
There is a reason why snow and rainwater tastes like dust.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 4, 2005 - 12:08am PT
LEB: I believe this is a case where both sides are correct.

No Lois, both side are not correct. Ramjit has no knowledge of the subject. Many experienced mountaineers have contributed to this thread. Listen to them.

Lois, the snow melting process is never ending. You're never just sitting around camp. You're either setting up camp, cooking, or melting snow.

Unless you're lucky enough to climb in the Sierra!
Scared Silly

Trad climber
UT
Dec 4, 2005 - 12:08am PT
Okay here is some practical advise. If you have water use it but the problem that will happen is that when snow is added the water will be absorbed into the snow. As the snow melts on the bottom of the pan it too will be absorbed. This will create dead air space between the snow and the bottom of the pot. As such, you must pack the snow down again so it is in contact with the bottom of the pot again. You will need to do this continuously do this until there is a pretty wet mixture in the pot.

Now if you have no water. Put the stove on low heat. Put a small amount of snow in the pot until it melts. Now add some more until it melts. Keep repeating until there is a reasonable amount of water in the pot. Now turn it the stove up and add lots of snow.

The denser the snow the better off you are and the less chance you have of burning the pot. But no matter how attentive you are, at some point you will probably burn the bottom of a pot.

One trick once you have filled all of your bottles melt some more snow into water and leave it in the pan. Melt enough for morning drinks and to top off your bottles. Yeah it is apt to freeze into ice by morning but it will quickly turn back into water once you start your store up. By melting the water at night you will be able to get a started faster in the morning because you will not need to melt snow. If are really concerned about fuel but not time in the morning just top off your bottles and refill the pot with snow and let the snow melt down.



BTW Saying 10" of snow equals 1" of water is only true when the snow density is exactly 10%. Which what I typcally call slop.


healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 4, 2005 - 12:33am PT
If you're going to try to stay alive on a mountain somewhere we can only hope you'll have the sense to draw on applied physics and save theory for the nearest bar...
10b4me

Trad climber
On that V2 problem at the Happies
Dec 4, 2005 - 01:05am PT
hey rajmit,
you are a feckin' idiot aren't you?
and I thought you had to be intelligent to attend mit.
LittlePinkTricam

Trad climber
Providence, RI
Dec 4, 2005 - 01:29am PT
For the pride of 19-years olds everywhere:
I've burnt snow because I didn't listen to my betters (read: my elders). Of course, I was 15 at the time... It's possible to have learned better by 19. I swear.
lucho

Trad climber
San Francisco
Dec 4, 2005 - 01:36am PT
DUDE, Rajmit, you are a fu-ckin dumbass, all that book knowledge doesnt help for sh#t, go out to the real world , climb a high peak in the winter and report back from experience, you're debating with people on here that know this stuff from pure experience. You're such a joke. i dont think you've ever had to melt snow in a real situation to drink water. You learn pretty quick what to do. Listen to the experienced.
Chaz

Trad climber
So. Cal.
Dec 4, 2005 - 08:09am PT
Cactus: "I've got t-shirts older than you." made me want to check my t-shirt stash to see if I could say the same. Results:
-Redlands Bicycle Classic ('85, '86)
-Cheap Trick ("Happy New Year 1980")
-Ayatollah Assaholla (1979)
I wish I still had my Weenie Roast shirt.
-Disco Sucks (1979)

They all still fit.

Page 68
Mountaineering, The Freedom Of The Hills
(seventh edition), paperback:

"the pot can "burn" if it contains only dry snow."

That's good enough for me.




Nutcracker Sweet

Social climber
az
Dec 4, 2005 - 08:59am PT
i don't post here much, but i WILL say that rajmit seems like an obnoxious ass.

elcapfool

Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
Dec 4, 2005 - 09:59am PT
Well, it has all been said, except that dry snow wicks the water away from the bottom of the pan. The snow in the middle ends up slushy, the top is still dry.
And I can't believe nobody mentioned it works much better if you use a lid...
Best results come from starting with water, add snow to make slush, and melt that to water. If it is white, you put too much in.
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