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Burt
Big Wall climber
Las Vegas, Nv
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2010 - 01:24am PT
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yeah it wasn't small either, covered a 3ft by 3 ft section at least
yes they are soft here, but it makes me feel good
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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"carved" into the rock !?
Who the f*#k does that? You really gotta wonder what goes on in a person's mind to justify such outlandish stupidity.
People... if you are that outraged that you flailed on 5.9.... take a deep breath and drive back to your climbing gym.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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There is a fair amount of graffiti in Indian Creek, most of it hundreds of years old.
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Happy Idiot
Trad climber
Santa Fe
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Last year I saw that some SOB scrawled the word "NO" with an arrow, pointing up the 5.8 direct finish of Group Therapy. Farkheads.
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Burt
Big Wall climber
Las Vegas, Nv
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2010 - 02:18pm PT
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Like scrawl on the rocks from climbers is ground breaking news boring!!!ZZZZ1
See that's the problem, we think it's boring. These people need to be weeded out. No more are we gonna allow it. It wasn't on a boulder near the base, scratched right into the beautiful black patina at the start of the route. It wasn't a kid, it was some idiot with nothing better to do. I a far cry from a hippie tree hugger guy, I just think as climbers a little more respect is due at the cliffs. If we all would say something when we saw it maybe the word would spread. If we don't manage ourselves, the land owners will.
There is a fair amount of graffiti in Indian Creek, most of it hundreds of years old.
That's funny Jim we were talking about that yesterday. We think that rock art is this sacred thing, a time line of the people. What if it was just some punk ass kids with nothing better to do? Downtown LA in 100 years... wow look at how they spoke to each other, through cryptic messages...
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Or this travesty in Yosemite!!
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Burt-
This is a sad story and upsetting to me. Whether it's messages scratched into rock or into the trunk of a tree, it's a form of vandalism and pollution of the natural environment.
But in this case, the damage is readily identifiable as having been done by a member of the climbing community, which has the potential of impacting access issues, and thus, the rest of us.
In a way, it's irrelevant what message the person was trying to convey. It would be just as disturbing if someone put up a new route and scratched the route name and "5.14R" at the base.
Thanks for trying to make something positive come out of this.
Phyl
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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You should'a got a before and after photo of the event....
defacing rock is never good.
I see this as an extension of the internet-selfish gene... where "my thoughts are important... look how many people responded" type thinking lives.
Unfortunately, the more people who start climbing, and don't have a clue as to the "leave no trace" ethic....... the more this may crop up.
Sad case of short-sighted, idiot thought the base of the climb needed a blog entry.
SHAME
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Happy Idiot
Trad climber
Santa Fe
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OK, but what is thought about the 'memorial' scrawled for RG at the Great Red Book belay?
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Burt
Big Wall climber
Las Vegas, Nv
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2010 - 04:13pm PT
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I knew RG, in fact worked for him for a short while. I thought it was classless. Randal died trying to leave no trace (or medical condition but still had the same outcome) and to erect a memorial for him in that manner was crappy. Make a cool plaque, leave on top or at the base, tie it to the bolt something. Just my thought.
I wish I had a camera there, I need to go back to see how bad it still looks. I used water and dirt to try and blend as good as I could, but sadley I could still see some of it when I left. The route was good, and shouldn't be missed if you are into JH 5.9! I know stuff happens all over, so much tagging has appeared in the first 3 pullouts, so much trash (just got back from a new crag in the first pullout and filled a small haulbag of garbage), but when climbers do it it drives me crazy. The new crag I am speaking of, great routes, but the person left all the hangers unpainted, did some hokie crap with the hangers, and left these big fat bright chains that can be seen for miles. I emailed the individual, and just let him know that access to these cliffs is ALWAYS in jeopardy so maybe lets camo some of the offending equipment. Some quick paint, throw in some washers, viola great cliff. I even offered to go out and help and fix it if he needs some. Still no reply, so soon I believe it will be time to public shame these people who are really making it tough for all of us.
None of us are perfect (god I am damn far from it) but as a community it is out job to try and find a balance. I grew up on the trad style, you don't hang, you don't bolt, you blah blah blah. I love to sport climb, I have bolted, but I also love placing gear, leaving nothing on the route but a memory. It is out responsibility to show the "new" guys a good way of going about it, and maybe we can be a better and closer community. If not, the NPS, BLM, private land owners, would love to show us how climbing should be done and who, what, where we can do it.
Kurt "Burt" Arend
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hooblie
climber
from where the anecdotes roam
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burt, pleased to cyber-meet you. if i don't say i feel your outrage, it will sound like i'm saying i don't feel your outrage
in internet terms. that would be way off the mark. you're on the right track, fixing the problem,
calling bs, explaining the logic, bringing the shame.
despite the impeccable execution, i'm guessing it's wierdly unfulfilling. don't despair, there is ringing in the ears of many would be offenders. i'm glad you stepped forward, never mind if it never achieves the soaring heights of a birthday thread
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