Anyone Know Who Topped Out on Mescalito Area Around 7/30/10?

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mastadon

Trad climber
quaking has-been
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 31, 2010 - 06:45pm PT

Back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's it was pretty much "anything goes" for bigwall pooping. You just dropped trow' and let her fly. We all did it. Things got pretty ugly on the more popular routes. The chimney below Big Sandy on the NW Direct was a sewer. The ledges on the upper Nose-ugly.

The 80's brought in the brown paper bag method. It saved the ledges but the base of El Cap looked like a brown paper poop bag battleground. Anywhere you walked were exploded paper bags of poop. How many people really went back to pick up their mess?

Somewhere in the last 20 years the poop-tube method was introduced. More hassle for those involved but much better for the environment. It's actually illegal to throw stuff, including human waste, off El Cap.

For the past week, a party on Mescalito or some nearby route has been throwing off garbage and brown poop bags every day. The base is littered with exploded poop bags, used water bottles, cans, and plastic bags full of garbage. They waited till after dark to huck their trash. You could hear it make it's way down. They were only climbing at night. They'd hole up during the day.

Do you think they'll go back up and pick up their trash? Does anyone care??



Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jul 31, 2010 - 07:09pm PT
This is just sick! The worst kind of climbers giving all us others a lumped up bad name. I hope we catch their names.........Thanks for posting!! If we don't police ourselves its gonna be the permit thing and this is just the stuff that gets it going.......
Gene

Social climber
Jul 31, 2010 - 07:17pm PT
Since they topped out yesterday, they are probably at the EC bridge or meadow tossing empty beer cans into the Merced.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jul 31, 2010 - 07:54pm PT
what, no sh#t eating bears in the park anymore?

TripL7

Trad climber
san diego
Jul 31, 2010 - 08:15pm PT
Disgraceful indeed!

Somebody needs to work them over.

Yes, 70's we just dropped our trow and let go. I recall one of my partners barely was able to finish his lead. Got me, and the guys about five pitch's below us so bad that they rapped off. Disgusting memory, but it was just the way it was done then.

We always carried our other trash down in the pig though. Even slow biodegradable, like banana peels & orange peels. At least the guy's I rolled with did. I believe there was a closer connection to the environment/nature back then than now. Now it's more of a PC thing etc., not as aesthetic/harmonious/intimate a relationship with the environment...stone included. Just my take on it.
Mike.

climber
Aug 1, 2010 - 01:06am PT
Thanks, mastadon, for pointing it out. Bad style. It's not hard to do much better. A burly stuff sack or two for trash, and a pipe bomb or waste case. People duct tape up cans of trash or even poop. Some make a mobile of shitbags under the haul bag. So many options that work without ruining someone's walk.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Aug 1, 2010 - 01:14am PT
I was out climbing tonight. What's the latest poop ?
TripL7

Trad climber
san diego
Aug 1, 2010 - 01:19am PT
"What's the latest poop?"

Wear your hip waders on the approach to the Nose/E Face.
rich sims

Trad climber
co
Aug 1, 2010 - 05:36am PT
I think the worst I came across was tampons hanging (used) on sickle ledge.
It was a party of fours high and low point.
bestill

Trad climber
s. ca.
Aug 1, 2010 - 07:00am PT
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.......SH........................IT. say, i am a supertopian newbie and this discusion makes me feel shi.....ty.
TripL7

Trad climber
san diego
Aug 1, 2010 - 10:32am PT
bestill,

REPENT DUDE!

And the next orange you eat, eat the peeling(smoke the banana peel).

BITD, the guys I "rolled with" woulda...
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Aug 1, 2010 - 11:47am PT
Unbelievable in this day and age! Had this been during the spring or fall wall season, the culprits would have been caught because so many people are around the wall. Too bad Tom Evans wasn't around with his telescope.
Lambone

Ice climber
Ashland, Or
Aug 1, 2010 - 12:19pm PT
lame
karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Aug 1, 2010 - 05:34pm PT
why would people want to ruin such a proud ascent with this kind of behavior? who did this? can we confiscate their gear and sell it for yosemite fund?
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 1, 2010 - 05:40pm PT
Yikes!

Talk about putting the "mess" in Mescalito...

Pigs!

Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Aug 1, 2010 - 05:47pm PT
f*#king dirtbags!
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Aug 1, 2010 - 06:05pm PT
It sounds like they bottomed out, not topped out.
Weld_it

Trad climber
Chatsworth
Aug 1, 2010 - 06:17pm PT
I have contacted the poliice and I also smelled marywanna when I was searching the base for old pitons. This will not end here.
TripL7

Trad climber
san diego
Aug 1, 2010 - 06:33pm PT
All the bongs(both kind)that you find/found are mine. I have a habit of cleaning any fixed bongs and tossing them to pick up at a later date(that's where the other "bong" comes in)I left a couple of those "bongs" stashed in various sundry locations along the base, don't ask why(because I can't remember). I am awesome in the wide's, and rarely if ever place any pro. We're talkin Excalibur, SoH, Horse Chute... So I want them all back, or else I'll have a word with WB and there won't be no "pluckin" ya next time!

Edit: Woe dude, "contacted the police"? Definately unwise, and I don't inhale anyway, so...

And I have been wondering, how could ya smell mary with all the poop?

Dude, I think you're a troll...
JakeW

Big Wall climber
CA
Aug 1, 2010 - 06:38pm PT
I picked up all the trash I could find along the base of El Cap today, including this stuff. It took me ever-so-slightly longer than reading this thread and writing this reply...and was much more scenic and enjoyable....

Even though these folks made an error in judgement by bumbling and dropping this stuff, I was encouraged to learn that they were staying extremely well hydrated with large numbers of our favorite malt beverages, the cans of which were interspersed with their "lunch bags".

On my way out I noticed some handsome and interesting characters heading that way, and I believe they may have been the clumsy climbers who accidentally dropped the stuff, going back to pick it up. So they might be only half guilty.

For those of us regularly picking up these curiosities, the compostable "brown" paper bags aren't nearly as intriguing as the sliced open then duct taped closed gallon jugs, with "something" inside. What do you do with these? What happens to the ones not found? Though similar in construct to a ship-in-a-bottle, they aren't very pleasing on the mantel shelf.

-Jake Whittaker
NPS Wilderness/Climbing Ranger
mastadon

Trad climber
quaking has-been
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2010 - 06:50pm PT

Thank you Jake. Thank you very much.

I picked up a few things but, unfortunately, I had a 110-lb demon on my back at the time.....
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Aug 1, 2010 - 06:51pm PT
Thanks, Jake.
Captain...or Skully

Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
Aug 1, 2010 - 06:59pm PT
Very tongue in cheek, Jake.
Appreciate you seein' to the Big Stone.
Weld_it

Trad climber
Chatsworth
Aug 1, 2010 - 07:34pm PT
Jake what is your badge numer? I'm not sure if you should get a poemotion or arristed for tampering with evedense.
TripL7

Trad climber
san diego
Aug 1, 2010 - 07:51pm PT
And all the bong's belong to me!
TripL7

Trad climber
san diego
Aug 1, 2010 - 10:05pm PT
Skip!

You remind me of the guy who, after accidentlly dropping $5 in the shitter/outhouse, wouldn't go in for that little an amount. So he pulls $20 bill out of his pocket, tosses it in and say's "But I'll go in for $25."

Except...

Sounds like you would go in for the $5...ya dirtbag!
Mike.

climber
Aug 2, 2010 - 12:48pm PT
Hey, listen up...yes, you, ready to hit up the Captain or some other Yo grade 6 with no intention of carrying up & out your sh#t bags:

I have a brand new, lightweight and small-ish poop tube, ready to be shipped to you, gratis. State of the art drain pipe, easy and featherweight all-plastic test plug closure with keeper, epoxied and sealed bottom cap, clip-in webbing attached. Contains stench like a motherf*#ker. All you have to do is use it and it's yours. I'll throw in an unused Wag Bag if you've never had the pleasure and want to try one. No joke.

Don't use the SuperTopo email notification; it never reaches me. Shoot me an email at ouscre at hot mail daught calm and we'll work it out. Thanks.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Aug 2, 2010 - 02:05pm PT
Thanks, Jake. Much appreciated. I occasionally have to carry down other people's garbage that I find at the base of the wall, but fortunately this happens very infrequently.

Do I take it then that these guys didn't really toss very much stuff, that they were returning to pick it up, and accordingly you didn't write them a ticket?
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Aug 2, 2010 - 02:13pm PT
Judging from Don's OP, the party threw off a lot of stuff, which must have taken quite an effort to clean up. I suspect that Jake's post rather understated the situation.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Aug 2, 2010 - 02:29pm PT
If the above is true, then why no ticket? I am certainly more in favour of we climbers policing ourselves, which surely would have been the case during regular Wall Season when the base is normally crawling with wall rats. But in situations like this, at this time of year, would something like a ticket be a more effective deterrent?

Thoughts?
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Aug 2, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
Catching them in the act may be the challenge. The circumstantial evidence seems strong, but you have to see them throwing stuff off, which is then found at the base, or have some way to tie what is found at the bottom to identified individuals. Plus there is the challenge of apprehending them, i.e. as they top out or on the descent, remembering that there are several ways to get back to the Valley.
Captain...or Skully

Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
Aug 2, 2010 - 02:43pm PT
Speeding tickets don't seem to have much of an effect, Pete.
TripL7

Trad climber
san diego
Aug 2, 2010 - 03:12pm PT
"some way to tie what is found at the bottom to identified individuals."

DNA...'poop smears' are the cheapest way to go! Suspected climbers could volunteer a sample.
or...if necessary/worse case scenario, you could pry it out of them.

"Catching them in the act may be the challenge."

Night time particularly.
Night vision scopes and swat/commando teams that could drop in at a moments notice.
Ground support crew(pooper scoopers)with full body armour(never know what those scoundrals will toss)!
ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber
California
Aug 3, 2010 - 09:39pm PT

It was me on Mescalito and I will not be taking the blame for the poop bags.

On day one of fixing, we saw two water bottles come from The Nose, which I carried out. Day two, one bottle and a poop bag, we blasted that day so I left it alone. Our 2nd or 3rd night up there our garbage bag malfunctioned and littered the base, which I was none too happy about.

That’s it. I picked up garbage on the summit and along the way, as I always do. I went back and picked up the base the same day Jake was out and came back with two packs full (we dug deep) of garbage, half of which wasn’t ours.

Take care and play safe, Ammon
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Aug 4, 2010 - 08:26am PT
OK, good - problem solved. Wall [and summit] both cleaner afterwards than before.

Yaaaaaar!
mastadon

Trad climber
quaking has-been
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2010 - 09:54am PT


Nuff said......
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Aug 4, 2010 - 10:23am PT
Well done, Ammon, Thanks.
Roxy

Trad climber
CA Central Coast
Aug 4, 2010 - 11:01am PT
right on, a happy ending to a trashy story.
karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Aug 4, 2010 - 11:55am PT
I couldnt believe it that people who had the skills to climb Mescalito would treat the captain so poorly on purpose. Thanks Ammon for the clear up.

Kalen
Mike.

climber
Aug 4, 2010 - 01:20pm PT
Remove the black spot from the salt...splice the mainbrace and toss him a lassie. Arr!
nature

climber
Whereverland....
Aug 4, 2010 - 02:12pm PT
well that explains all those beer cans....
Weld_it

Trad climber
Chatsworth
Aug 4, 2010 - 02:14pm PT
well that explains all those beer cans....

and the bings! LOL! Carry on ElCap pirate.
Captain...or Skully

Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
Aug 4, 2010 - 02:52pm PT
Why would he want to climb it again?
I thought we did pretty good the 1st time.
Research? Hmmmm.
I dunno....Don't repeat Walls, myself. Yet.
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