Big Rock (Lake Perris, CA) will be Closed to Climbing 2011

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Juan Maderita

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 28, 2010 - 01:24pm PT
I received verification via e-mail that Big Rock will be closed to climbing for an earthquake retrofit of the dam.

Thank you for your interest in the Perris Dam Remediation Project. The climbing area (A.K.A Big Rock?) is currently open. I anticipate that the area will be closed shortly before construction begins on the dam. There is no hard start date for construction, but work is generally scheduled to begin mid-2011 and the closure of the rock climbing area is anticipated to last for up to three years.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me or the Perris Dam reflector. Thank you again for your interest in the Perris Dam Remediation Project.

David L. Panec, P.E.
Chief, Dam Safety Branch
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 28, 2010 - 01:26pm PT
How is this to be enforced?
Juan Maderita

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2010 - 01:32pm PT
No info on enforcement. However, the place will be crawling with construction workers and supervisors. Plus the numerous park ranger patrols who can drive right up to the base of the rock. Violators would be "sitting ducks" for a ticket or arrest.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 28, 2010 - 01:33pm PT
these guys are on it..
Credit: Wade Icey
Juan Maderita

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2011 - 02:34pm PT
Update on the pending closure:
Currently, DWR anticipates the Final EIR to be certified by summer, 2011. Following EIR certification, we anticipate completion of the dam remediation design in summer, 2012, and construction to begin in mid 2013. Completion of the dam remediation is expected before the end of 2015. All projects concerning Perris Dam are anticipated to be complete by 2016.

We are trying to keep our web-site (http://www.water.ca.gov/lakeperris/); updated with the most current schedule available.

Again, thank you for your interest in the Perris Dam Remediation Project.

David L. Panec, P.E.
Chief, Dam Safety Branch

This follow up e-mail added clarification:
Big Rock would likely remain open up until a few months prior to start of construction.
Brandon-

climber
Done With Tobacco
Feb 28, 2011 - 02:36pm PT
Wade, I thought they only patrol Black Rock City.

And the Castro.
Slater

Trad climber
Central Coast
Feb 28, 2011 - 02:37pm PT
DAM!!!
















;)





Had to be done.
neversummer

Mountain climber
perris, cali
Feb 28, 2011 - 02:45pm PT
just hike in from south side and play stupid...
locker

Social climber
Feb 28, 2011 - 02:48pm PT

just hike in from the south side...

play stupid...

then pay for the ticket you just got...

;-)

neversummer

Mountain climber
perris, cali
Feb 28, 2011 - 04:52pm PT
no way, they would just ask you to leave.....



...and bring a disguise for the next time.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 28, 2011 - 07:09pm PT
gunsmoke

Mountain climber
Clackamas, Oregon
Mar 1, 2011 - 09:09am PT
No doubt they have a new crew of rangers, but bitd they were really unreasonable. Unless the culture has changed, be happy if all they do is issue a ticket.
mooch

Trad climber
Old Climbers' Home (Adopted)
Mar 1, 2011 - 10:49am PT
then pay for the ticket you just got...


The place is not worth getting a citation over. Fun, if you're in the area. Other and much better places to climb.....

"....well I can't tell lies cause they're listenin' to me..."
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Who'll stop the reign?
Mar 1, 2011 - 10:52am PT
Big Rock is really brown, if memory serves. Wear brown pants, brown shirt, brown hat, and brown shoes. Break out the goldline of you don't have a brown rope. Brown runners.

GO!

The Invisible Woman Climbs Big Rock, no news at 11.

DMT
adventurous one

Trad climber
Truckee Ca.
Jan 11, 2012 - 11:18pm PT
Update on the status of climbing here? Have they closed it yet for the dam work? Is there a good guidebook for the place? Going to be near there in April and thought we might check it out if it wasn't closed yet.
lele honu

Trad climber
SD
Feb 6, 2012 - 06:35pm PT
Park is only closed Tuesday and Wednesdays. I just spoke with Park office. Day use fee did go up to $10.00.
Senor Pinche Wey

Big Wall climber
OB
Aug 21, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
Hey!

I am going to be in SoCal tomorrow randomly working at a job site about 5 miles from Lake Perris. Does anyone know if that info is still fresh? Can I get in for a couple of quick laps on my way back to the airport or does construction have it shut down? I was unable to reach the park office.

Jim
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 21, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
No sign of construction starting earlier this year.

Good chance it's still open.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 21, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
And hotter than a f*#ked sheep in a forest fire.
Senor Pinche Wey

Big Wall climber
OB
Aug 21, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
yeah, I know....it is an emotional pull, not a rational one.

kind of like driving by a house you used to live in as a kid even though other people are living there now.

Jim
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Aug 21, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
Should be okay if you get there real early. If gate is closed you can walk in about 20 minutes. Or park on the dam side and walk in. Gonna cook hot by 11:00 I'd guess.
Roots

Mountain climber
SoCal
Aug 22, 2013 - 10:52am PT
Heard it was open.
Roxy

Trad climber
CA Central Coast
Aug 22, 2013 - 11:17am PT
Lake Perris will be closed on the 27th but open before and after.

cf. http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=651


edit: yes Jon you're correct, should have added that detail. Looks like the craggin' is good to go.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 22, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
I can see the thing here from work. It's about a billion degrees (100+ when I got off yesterday at 4), take some sunscreen and a couple gals of water.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 22, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
Roxy - it looks like only the lake is closed (to vessels) on the 27th.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Oct 12, 2014 - 11:29pm PT
It took a while, but it appears this week's the week.

This just in, courtesy of the Riverside Tattler:

http://www.pe.com/articles/state-751840-lake-water.html
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Oct 13, 2014 - 05:18am PT
Well that sucks,
early 70's all over again.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 14, 2014 - 11:27am PT
State response to letters re Big Rock closure

Dear Big Rock Climbers:

Director, Mark Cowin, and Chief Counsel, Cathy Crothers, have asked that I respond to your letter regarding the Perris Dam Remediation Project.

In 2005, Department of Water Resources (DWR) identified potential seismic safety hazards in the foundation of the dam. While there was no imminent threat to life or property, in the interest of ensuring public safety, DWR lowered the reservoir water level while undertaking the preparation of an Environmental Impact Report (EIR) and designing repairs.

The State wants to bring the lake back to full capacity, and the areas of concern must be retrofitted. That is the purpose of the Dam Remediation Project.

Construction on the project will begin this year and is currently estimated to take about 3 years to complete. Due to the construction being limited to the Bernasconi side of the dam, Bernasconi, Big Rock, and much of the southern side of the park/bike trail will be closed for the entire construction project.

In June of 2014, DWR staff met with representatives of the climbing community, at the site, to discuss concerns regarding the Lake Perris Big Rock climbing resource. The meeting addressed two concerns: 1) Protection of the climbing resources from construction impacts; and, 2) Access to the Big Rock climbing area during construction. We have discussed both concerns internally and with our partners at California Department of Parks and Recreation (DPR), the department with responsibility of management the State Recreation Area, and we have reached the following conclusions.

First, as demonstrated in DWR’s Final Environmental Impact Report (Final EIR), DWR recognizes the importance of this recreational area and is committed to providing adequate protection to Big Rock and its adjacent staging area, to the greatest extent possible. In fact, protecting this resource was one of the considerations that resulted in DWR’s decision to reroute the permanent haul road north of Big Rock. In response to the June 26, 2014 letter from the Access Fund requesting further protections of the Big Rock climbing area, DWR has prepared and will issue a change order to the construction contractor to adjust the alignment of the temporary haul route to the north to further protect the Big Rock climbing area from any potential construction impacts. We will also place a K-rail barrier along the haul road adjacent to the Big Rock area with a six-foot cyclone slatted fence on top of it. DWR has also received a request to re-route the temporary access for the drilling and blasting equipment to the west side of the hill to limit impacts to the Big Rock staging area. We have not received a submittal from the Contractor depicting their means and methods for installing this access road. We are unable to address this request, until we have that submittal.

Second, access has been requested to the Big Rock climbing area during construction. DWR evaluated the environmental impacts of this project in the Perris Dam Emergency Release Facility EIR. In that document, DWR identified the impact to rock climbing as temporary but significant and unavoidable, and adopted a Statement of Overriding Considerations that was issued on November 18, 2011 by Director Mark Cowin. A Notice of Determination was also filed with the Office of Planning and Research, State Clearinghouse on November 18, 2011.

DWR and DPR have reviewed and considered the proposal for access and determined that access cannot be allowed during the construction period. DWR originally determined that closure of the area was necessary to protect public safety, and, in the interests of site security, combined with concerns regarding the limited access of DPR law enforcement and emergency personnel, to the area. Notwithstanding project changes designed to heighten protection to the rock climbing area, DWR has determined that these changes do not reduce the safety or security risks to the point that access can be accommodated.

While DWR understands and appreciates the importance of this area to the rock climbing community, we hope you can also appreciate that DWR needs to complete this important public safety project in a manner that is safe to the public during the potentially hazardous three year period which will require major rock hauling and heavy construction activities. DPR plans to close the south side of the park, including the Big Rock area, on Wednesday, October 15, 2014. The area will be re-opened to recreational enjoyment once the construction is completed. For additional information on the project and park recreation resources, please visit the website http://www.water.ca.gov/lakeperris.

Thank you,

Joe Royer, Chief
Geotechnical Services Branch
Perris Dam Remediation Project Manager

Roots

Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
Oct 15, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
Received the same response..closed until they're done.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Oct 15, 2014 - 05:50pm PT
At least they didn't find an army of yellow legged mountain frogs anywhere near it. We would have to close it for over a decade, maybe forever.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 15, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
The reply from DWR seems reasonable to me. Big Rock isn't going anywhere. It'll certainly be there once we've all become food for worms.

I remember being seriously stoked after leading those two flakes. Lots of good memories there.
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