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Apocalypsenow

Trad climber
Cali
Nov 24, 2005 - 11:31pm PT
cheers my friend...thanks...
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Straight Outta Squamton
Nov 25, 2005 - 12:15am PT
Rajmit wrote:

“Unless one of your relatives died in the Holocaust, you should shut the f-ck up! “

Lovesgasoline responds with the best comeback I've seen in 10 years:

Why do I need have had relatives die in the Holocaust to call you BS?
In any case, I didn’t have one of my relatives die in the Holocaust. I had numerous relatives murdered in the Holocaust. In fact, my father was a slave in the same camp your beloved Werhner Braun drew slaves from to work on his endearing rocket project. My father’s mother and father were butchered, his twin brothers were butchered, most of his relatives killed, and he himself has numerous bullet wounds from a successful (but nearly lethal) escape from a cattle car that was transporting him to a death camp.



Rajmit –– time to give it up. You've been soundly thrashed in this debate.
Loom

climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
Nov 25, 2005 - 12:27am PT
"Chris is a great guy for putting up (and funding) this site and, accordingly, I don't like to see him put down."

Lois, isn't that Rajmit's argument?


Chaz

Trad climber
So. Cal.
Nov 25, 2005 - 12:31am PT
Evan Williams is NOT swill.

It tastes like Wild Turkey, looks like Jack Daniels,
and is priced like Jim Beam.
Loom

climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
Nov 25, 2005 - 12:51am PT
Lois,
I've been conflicted, ambivalent, whatever, for awhile. I don't appreciate his "contributions" to the climbing community, so I haven't had a problem with leaving turds in his sandbox. But I have to admit (though I hate doing so) that I sometimes enjoy being part of this community; I did prefer the old ones at the deli, caf, etc.
Loom

climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
Nov 25, 2005 - 01:12am PT
hoo boy

Lois, it's climbing related. I don't want to get into all this; it's pointless. Chris is beloved for ASCA, for his site, his guides, his occasional enthusiastic posts, his climbing; he can do no wrong. I'm losing my erection.
Loom

climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
Nov 25, 2005 - 01:34am PT
No Lois.

arrgh.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2005 - 07:57am PT
Wow, is that Lee Marvin (smoking a pipe) on the right a couple of rows back from Kennedy?

Raj, you should calm down, you’re getting a bit emotional.

“Unless one of your relatives died in the Holocaust, you should shut the f-ck up!”

May I suggest that before you tell somebody to shut the f-ck up, that perhaps you ask them first if they had relatives who suffered in the Holocaust.

And anyway, Lovegasoline is correct, you don’t have to have personal ties with a tragic event in order to comment on it.

“However, the title is wrong because Wernher von Braun was never in the military for any country…. Also, von Braun was never in the military. He was a private contractor with the Nazi rocket program.”

So first you are saying that he wasn’t in the SS, but then in a later statement (below) you acknowledge that he was. And you are telling me to get my facts right? LOL.

“He worked with Jewish engineers in America, and they felt no discomfort working next to his side. They also knew he was part of the SS.

Raj, why did you delete your first post on this thread? The one that said ‘no sh-it Sherlock. That is not new news’ or something to that effect.

I have to say that given your behavior on this thread, I have to wonder how you got into MIT.

Lovegasoline, very interesting (and sad) tale about your father.
mellpat

Big Wall climber
Sweden
Nov 25, 2005 - 08:12am PT
Why this fascination with the SS in Germany 60-70 years ago? I suppose being an elected member to that honorary guard to Hitler was more like being elected for membership to Rotary in our days.

European history is really complicated and stereotypes are not much help. At a recent visit to Kiev, the capital of Ukraine, I noticed that the street stands offered a large variety of Hitler statuettes (did not buy any). I think you would serve time ("Incitement to racial hatred") if you were trying to sell those in Germany or Sweden. But Stalin was definitely a more vicious ruler for ethnic Ukrainians than Hitler, so it figures. I guess.
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Northern Mexico
Nov 25, 2005 - 08:16am PT
http://www.clavius.org/techlmstab.html
TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 25, 2005 - 08:42am PT
mellpat

Big Wall climber
Sweden
Nov 25, 2005 - 08:57am PT
Yeahh, that stupid fish would know how to avoid a trolling bait. But we like images of trolls in Scandinavia. Ever heard of the Troll Wall? http://www.bigwalls.net/climb/Troll.html

"In Scandinavian troll folklore the forest creatures are morally ambiguous, and don't constantly represent evil"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Troll


Incidentally, Wernher von Braun's, his colleagues and leadership fascination with huge rockets like V-2 was a good thing for the Allies. Had those large resources been diverted to small rockets (guided surface-to-air missiles, antitank missiles) or anything else of real military value, Nazi Germany would have lasted a few months longer, with "interesting" implications ...
TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 26, 2005 - 12:13am PT
Lois - Are you talking to me? LOL.

I do not know where I got it. But you can find out.

(This is a secret that only a few people on ST have figured out, so please erase this post after reading it. I know you might not believe this, but many have posted various "where is this" quizzes, with the info contained clearly in the picture name. Especially do not tell them or they will misdirect us in the future.)

Right click on the image and click properties. The URL will be listed in the properties page.

TIG. (or Trad for short)
TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 26, 2005 - 12:16am PT
LEB, btw. When you do that {url=...} thing, you have to put a quote at the beginning and the end of the url. {img} is different. There you just put the URL between the beginning tag and the ending tag {/img}. See the Help for examples.
TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 26, 2005 - 12:40am PT
Click "Help", (It is below the window when you are posting). The url and img syntaxes are different. The {url="..."} identifies where the thing is. The stuff between the end of the beginning tag and the beginning of the end tag, is what gets underlined. For your first exercise, fix the your post above. Refer to the help page if necessary.

As far as why the images exist elsewhere ... space could be one reason, but I think it is just because they did not spend the bucks to add an image upload option to the site. The downside to this is many image links fail to work for things like bandwidth or permission restrictions. The upside is that many of the images are already stored on someones existing photo site.
Ouch!

climber
Nov 26, 2005 - 01:31am PT
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Northern Mexico
Nov 26, 2005 - 01:50am PT
I have read many books on WVB. When he started working on rockets for the military he had no idea slave labor would be used to build them. He knew the rockets were to be weapons.

WVB worked on the R and D. He was not responsible for manufacturing. WVB was always thinking of the moon.
He was one of the greatest mangers of all time.

V2's killed a few thousand. My dad heard the first one land a few miles from his home.

Was Oppie a war criminal.

Juan
TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 26, 2005 - 08:08am PT
Oh I think I understand what you are saying, now. I can't do what you suggested however (it would be a good exercise) because I downloaded the image to my hard disk a long time ago and don't remember the url.

If it were "only on your hard drive", the image would not show up here. And Raj showed an example for the setting up link to url in this thread. BTW. When you click on help, notice also that you can click on "View Original Message in a Separate Window".

I am writing a multiple choice exam on physical assessment concepts right now and dying of boredom in the process.

Just make all the answers c). Use stuff from ST for a,b,d. You will be amazed at how many wrong answers you will get. And it will save you time grading so you can get back to things you like. ;)
TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 26, 2005 - 08:14am PT
Credibility Gap - Wernher is not third from the left in that photo! Who is third from the left? Wernher is in the picture.
mellpat

Big Wall climber
Sweden
Nov 26, 2005 - 09:17am PT
Dr. Kurt Debus is third from the left. Robert McNamara or Wernher von Braun (with glasses) to the right?

http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-000616.jpg

Photo of Debus and von Braun in the link above.

I was in Chamonix, France in July 1969 with three climbing friends. We took a day off from the climbing and listened to the moon landing on the car radio.
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