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TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 25, 2005 - 08:42am PT
mellpat

Big Wall climber
Sweden
Nov 25, 2005 - 08:57am PT
Yeahh, that stupid fish would know how to avoid a trolling bait. But we like images of trolls in Scandinavia. Ever heard of the Troll Wall? http://www.bigwalls.net/climb/Troll.html

"In Scandinavian troll folklore the forest creatures are morally ambiguous, and don't constantly represent evil"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Troll


Incidentally, Wernher von Braun's, his colleagues and leadership fascination with huge rockets like V-2 was a good thing for the Allies. Had those large resources been diverted to small rockets (guided surface-to-air missiles, antitank missiles) or anything else of real military value, Nazi Germany would have lasted a few months longer, with "interesting" implications ...
TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 26, 2005 - 12:13am PT
Lois - Are you talking to me? LOL.

I do not know where I got it. But you can find out.

(This is a secret that only a few people on ST have figured out, so please erase this post after reading it. I know you might not believe this, but many have posted various "where is this" quizzes, with the info contained clearly in the picture name. Especially do not tell them or they will misdirect us in the future.)

Right click on the image and click properties. The URL will be listed in the properties page.

TIG. (or Trad for short)
TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 26, 2005 - 12:16am PT
LEB, btw. When you do that {url=...} thing, you have to put a quote at the beginning and the end of the url. {img} is different. There you just put the URL between the beginning tag and the ending tag {/img}. See the Help for examples.
TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 26, 2005 - 12:40am PT
Click "Help", (It is below the window when you are posting). The url and img syntaxes are different. The {url="..."} identifies where the thing is. The stuff between the end of the beginning tag and the beginning of the end tag, is what gets underlined. For your first exercise, fix the your post above. Refer to the help page if necessary.

As far as why the images exist elsewhere ... space could be one reason, but I think it is just because they did not spend the bucks to add an image upload option to the site. The downside to this is many image links fail to work for things like bandwidth or permission restrictions. The upside is that many of the images are already stored on someones existing photo site.
Ouch!

climber
Nov 26, 2005 - 01:31am PT
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Northern Mexico
Nov 26, 2005 - 01:50am PT
I have read many books on WVB. When he started working on rockets for the military he had no idea slave labor would be used to build them. He knew the rockets were to be weapons.

WVB worked on the R and D. He was not responsible for manufacturing. WVB was always thinking of the moon.
He was one of the greatest mangers of all time.

V2's killed a few thousand. My dad heard the first one land a few miles from his home.

Was Oppie a war criminal.

Juan
TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 26, 2005 - 08:08am PT
Oh I think I understand what you are saying, now. I can't do what you suggested however (it would be a good exercise) because I downloaded the image to my hard disk a long time ago and don't remember the url.

If it were "only on your hard drive", the image would not show up here. And Raj showed an example for the setting up link to url in this thread. BTW. When you click on help, notice also that you can click on "View Original Message in a Separate Window".

I am writing a multiple choice exam on physical assessment concepts right now and dying of boredom in the process.

Just make all the answers c). Use stuff from ST for a,b,d. You will be amazed at how many wrong answers you will get. And it will save you time grading so you can get back to things you like. ;)
TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 26, 2005 - 08:14am PT
Credibility Gap - Wernher is not third from the left in that photo! Who is third from the left? Wernher is in the picture.
mellpat

Big Wall climber
Sweden
Nov 26, 2005 - 09:17am PT
Dr. Kurt Debus is third from the left. Robert McNamara or Wernher von Braun (with glasses) to the right?

http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-000616.jpg

Photo of Debus and von Braun in the link above.

I was in Chamonix, France in July 1969 with three climbing friends. We took a day off from the climbing and listened to the moon landing on the car radio.
TradIsGood

Trad climber
Gunks end of country
Nov 26, 2005 - 09:43am PT
McNamara is second from right. Out of focus to his right, may be Dean Rusk - not sure on that.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Nov 26, 2005 - 02:16pm PT
Mellpat from Sweden asks: "Why this fascination with the SS in Germany 60-70 years ago?"

I think it's because US world hegemony evolved out of a synthesis of Nazi high-tech (ballistic missiles, stealth bombers, turbo-jets, nerve gas, etc.) and Jewish physics (i.e. Oppie, Los Alamos, and the Bomb)and even today we're still trying to wrestle with the moral and ethical paradoxes implicit in that fusion.

Werner's bargain with the devil is really our bargain, too. What price world empire?
Hootervillian

climber
the Ponderosa, NV
Nov 26, 2005 - 02:20pm PT
I think it's because US world hegemony evolved out of a synthesis of Nazi high-tech (ballistic missiles, stealth bombers, turbo-jets, nerve gas, etc.) and Jewish physics (i.e. Oppie, Los Alamos, and the Bomb)and even today we're still trying to wrestle with the moral and ethical paradoxes implicit in that fusion.

it's a good thing for US we won.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 26, 2005 - 02:23pm PT
Gather round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun
A man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience
Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown
"Ha, Nazi schmazi," says Wernher von Braun

Don't say that he's hypocritical
Say rather that he's apolitical
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down
That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun

Some have harsh words for this man of renown
But some think our attitude should be one of gratitude
Like the widows and cripples in old London town
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun

You too may be a big hero
Once you've learned to count backwards to zero
"In German oder English I know how to count down
Und I'm learning Chinese," says Wernher von Braun
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 26, 2005 - 02:27pm PT
so we can all pay our respects to the ex-Nazi


Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Nov 26, 2005 - 03:55pm PT
Beggin' your pardon, Hottervillian: the US didn't "win" WWII. Normandy aside, the Ivans beat Herman at Stalingrad, Kursk, and, finally, Berlin. We were well placed to come in an pick up the pieces (Werner, ballistic missiles, Horten radar evading bombers, etc). Somebody always loses a war, but nobody really wins. We inherited the next stage in the mess of world history. It definitely ain't over yet!
Hootervillian

climber
the Ponderosa, NV
Nov 26, 2005 - 04:00pm PT


cuz it was drippin with sarcasm...

me and the new-federalist have the who won? we won? what won? debate fortnightly.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Nov 28, 2005 - 06:33am PT

The benefits of belonging to the science club!

Headís up when walk into the medical clinic or eating at the MIT caf Raj.

MIT is famous for using retarded children as unwilling human guinea pigs, feeding them radioactive calcium introduced into their breakfast cereal. They misled and deceived the children and their parents by tricking them into thinking that their test was beneficial to the poor children and neglected to inform them that the whole purpose of this little experiment was to expose them to radiation Ö ands see what happened!
Hereís one of the letters to parents in preparing the ground for victimizing one of the most helpless members of the population. The post war legacy of Nazi scientific ethics:

THE BENFITS OF BELONGING


http://www.eh.doe.gov/ohre/roadmap/achre/chap7_5.html


The second letter, dated May 1953, we quote in its entirety:
Dear Parent:

In previous years we have done some examinations in connection with the nutritional department of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, with the purposes of helping to improve the nutrition of our children and to help them in general more efficiently than before.
For the checking up of the children, we occasionally need to take some blood samples, which are then analyzed. The blood samples are taken after one test meal, which consists of a special breakfast meal containing a certain amount of calcium. We have asked for volunteers to give a sample of blood once a month for three months, and your son has agreed to volunteer because the boys who belong to the Science Club have many additional privileges. They get a quart of milk daily during that time, and are taken to a baseball game, to the beach and to some outside dinners and they enjoy it greatly.
I hope that you have no objection that your son is voluntarily participating in this study. The first study will start on Monday, June 8th, and if you have not expressed any objections we will assume that your son may participate.

Sincerely yours,

Clemens E. Benda, M.D.
[Fernald] Clinical Director

Approved:_
Malcom J. Farrell, M.D.
[Fernald] Superintendent[85]


Of course, they tried to keep this all confidential.

We need not mention the injecting of plutonium into unwitting hospital patients, the program to infect blacks with syphilis, radiation exposure to large populated areas in the continental US, tests on prisoners and military personnel with biological weapons, chemicals, weapons, radiation, and Ďmind controlí drugs. A small sample of whatís been uncovered over the years, and who knows what else was being done to the unsuspecting citizens of the US thatís never been discovered. The glorious task of furthering science.

Some more:
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/project-paperclip4.htm

WVB was misunderstood.
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