Nietzsche and Modern Mountaineering - Wilfrid Noyce

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paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Aug 23, 2014 - 11:18pm PT
To me that piece of film and the music that accompanies it is perfect. The singular pinnacle of Romanticism in the throes of an inevitable madness willed by an ultimately violent, chaotic and mysterious universe assuring the reasoned mind its own perfect nobility... if only Gericault had been alive to paint his portrait.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Aug 24, 2014 - 11:09am PT
Ojai, that definitely was one of the great paeans of the Romantic era.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2014 - 11:22am PT
Spectacular find Marlow!

Plenty of clarity for a climber to appreciate in the mind of Fred.

"The secret of knowing the most fertile experiences and the greatest joys in life is to live dangerously."
goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा
Aug 28, 2014 - 06:08pm PT
Another good one from Mr. Watts.

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Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2015 - 01:49pm PT
The bump from within...
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jun 29, 2015 - 12:18pm PT

The Wanderer

Then, when it was about midnight, Zarathustra went his way over the ridge of the isle, that he might arrive early in the morning at the other coast; because there he meant to embark. For there was a good roadstead there, in which foreign ships also liked to anchor: those ships took many people with them, who wished to cross over from the Happy Isles. So when Zarathustra thus ascended the mountain, he thought on the way of his many solitary wanderings from youth onwards, and how many mountains and ridges and summits he had already climbed.

I am a wanderer and mountain-climber, said he to his heart, I love not the plains, and it seemeth I cannot long sit still.

And whatever may still overtake me as fate and experience — a wandering will be therein, and a mountain-climbing: in the end one experienceth only oneself.

The time is now past when accidents could befall me; and what COULD now fall to my lot which would not already be mine own!

It returneth only, it cometh home to me at last — mine own Self, and such of it as hath been long abroad, and scattered among things and accidents.

And one thing more do I know: I stand now before my last summit, and before that which hath been longest reserved for me. Ah, my hardest path must I ascend! Ah, I have begun my lonesomest wandering!

He, however, who is of my nature doth not avoid such an hour: the hour that saith unto him: Now only dost thou go the way to thy greatness! Summit and abyss — these are now comprised together!

Thou goest the way to thy greatness: now hath it become thy last refuge, what was hitherto thy last danger!

Thou goest the way to thy greatness: it must now be thy best courage that there is no longer any path behind thee!

Thou goest the way to thy greatness: here shall no one steal after thee! Thy foot itself hath effaced the path behind thee, and over it standeth written: Impossibility.

And if all ladders henceforth fail thee, then must thou learn to mount upon thine own head: how couldst thou mount upward otherwise?

Upon thine own head, and beyond thine own heart! Now must the gentlest in thee become the hardest.

He who hath always much-indulged himself, sickeneth at last by his much– indulgence. Praises on what maketh hardy! I do not praise the land where butter and honey — flow!

To learn TO LOOK AWAY FROM oneself, is necessary in order to see MANY THINGS:— this hardiness is needed by every mountain-climber.

He, however, who is obtrusive with his eyes as a discerner, how can he ever see more of anything than its foreground!

Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2017 - 07:08pm PT
Philosophical Bump...
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 19, 2017 - 08:25am PT

Beyond Good and Evil

"In the house of pain, we were chained together searching for our truth, beyond good and evil". This quote from Nietzsche inspired Andy Parkin and Mark Twight, the openers of this mixed climbing route, that became a reference. Listed extremely difficult, North oriented, this route was appealing for François Damilano and François Marsigny, the repeaters of the route.
Last winter (2013-14), it was time for the up-and-coming generation, represented by Marion Poitevin and Sébastien Ratel to meet the challenge. Three duos, three experiences, three encounters… echoing the Trilogy alpine series.

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Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2017 - 10:53am PT
Thanks for sharing that amazing video!

Proud effort by all three parties and some great footage. I wish I spoke French. Twight should have this translated by now.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Apr 29, 2018 - 08:47am PT

Friedrich Nietzsche and the Modern World

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Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 27, 2019 - 01:12pm PT

Sils Maria 1906

Sils Maria 1920-50

Silvaplana

Oberengadin with St Moritz, Silvaplana and Sils Maria
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 4, 2019 - 01:37pm PT

Jennifer Ratner-Rosenhagen: Nietzsche in America
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Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 5, 2019 - 08:45am PT

As Heidegger's reading of Nietzsche says more about Heidegger than about Nietzsche, Another's reading of Heidegger says more about Another than about Heidegger... The political Heidegger was a nazi who wanted to trust a man with hands like Hitler's. Why Another brings with him nude nazis to a Nietzsche thread is beyond my imagination...
capseeboy

Social climber
portland, oregon
Mar 5, 2019 - 10:51am PT
Why Another brings with him nude nazis to a Nietzsche thread is beyond my imagination...

The same imagination that adopted Seven Years in Tibet into a romantic Hollywood screen play?
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 5, 2019 - 01:53pm PT

I will not try to argue you out of your general opinion. I agree with you that Heidegger's philosophy isn't nazi philosophy, it's philosophy, but there's moments in his philosophy that must have eased his way into nazi politics and not only his human all too human opportunism. Two of the ideas are "Das Volk" and "Polemos".
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 5, 2019 - 02:05pm PT

There's books written about his use of the terms. Not my research...
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Mar 5, 2019 - 08:55pm PT
Great thread here Steve, thank you.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Mar 6, 2019 - 08:25am PT
Todd Eastman: Noyce needed an editor...

I couldn't agree more. The original article the OP posted wanders. It's not easy to see what was being claimed or argued (a little bit of this and a little bit of that). Poetry or philosophy, I guess, as was much writing in those days (as Donini said).

In older times, climbing was almost always connected with a spiritual calling of sorts. Today? Very little I would guess.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Mar 6, 2019 - 11:59am PT
Definitely one of the best threads on ST right now...

For those who might be interested, John Gray's 2018 book "Seven Types of Atheism" is an interesting read.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/apr/15/seven-types-of-atheism-john-gray-review-richard-harries


One is the idea of automatic progress. For a monotheist, there is a telos, an ultimate purpose in human history, even if it lies beyond time. Without this faith in God, however, history is going nowhere. Yet most recent forms of atheism have substituted faith in humanity for faith in God and assumed that with the aid of science life will get better. So for Gray most of these forms of atheism are a form of repressed religion. There is no such entity as humanity, only the endless variety of human beings with their different trajectories and what we term civilization is as likely to collapse as be improved on; there is certainly no prospect of a utopian political order, an idea that again owes everything to religion

Needless to say, Gray is a pessimist regarding human nature and a critic of modern liberalism. From his Wikipedia page...
Furthermore, he argues that this belief in progress, commonly imagined to be secular and liberal, is in fact derived from an erroneous Christian notion of humans as morally autonomous beings categorically different from other animals. This belief, and the corresponding idea that history makes sense, or is progressing towards something, is in Gray's view merely a Christian prejudice

Here's Grays concluding remarks...
None of these fantastical creatures has been seen by human eyes

Obviously, Gray had not seen "Free Solo" when he wrote that...;-)
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