Nietzsche and Modern Mountaineering - Wilfrid Noyce

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Randisi

Boulder climber
PA
Jul 16, 2010 - 02:03pm PT
I wonder if Noyce knew about his VD?

No, Steve.

It was pretty much assumed that Nietzsche went nuts because of his ideas or his heredity. His father died around the age of 37 from some kind of softening of the brain, if I recall correctly.

Nietzsche never knew he had it either, though at least one doctor's records diagnosed him with it. If his family were told of it after his death, his sister surely actively suppressed this information.

I must say that, for a Brit, at that time (just after WWII), Noyce was relatively fair to Nietzsche (who was unjustly seen as a Nazi philosopher. Nietzsche hated Anti-Semites, hated Germans - he often tried to pass himself off as Polish! - and would have thought Hitler was a boor). However, Nietzsche was not as frail as Noyce portrayed him. He hiked quite a lot.

Steve L

Gym climber
SUR
Jul 16, 2010 - 04:19pm PT
Wow, very cool. Funny, I was cleaning out a bunch of crap from my apartment a couple of days ago and came across a box of old books. It had my hard back copy of Zarathustra in it, which I haven't read in 20 years. That was long before I started climbing. Now I'm motivated to re-read it from a very different perspective. Thanks for posting.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
Philosophical bump...
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 24, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
The hopeless romanticism of the mountains!
The hopeless romanticism of the mountains!
Credit: paul roehl

Seeking the source for the romantic interest in mountain climbing as an act of pleasure, really leads to JJ Rousseau.
Also... you really have to hand it to Steve Grossman for creating some of the most interesting threads on this website!
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Mar 24, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
Credit: cintune
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Mar 24, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
Cintune, where did you get that image?
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Mar 24, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
Made it a long time ago, finally found a place to use it. I think the guy with the rope came from an early subscription card from Alpinist, or maybe a membership card from the AAC, or somewhere. The painting is Wanderer in a Sea of Cloud, by Caspar David Friedrich, it was actually painted 25 years before Nietzsche was born.
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Mar 24, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
Awesome! Grossman comes through with the content again.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 26, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Nietzsche Haus at Sils Maria


"Philosophy:
Living voluntarily among ice and high mountains
seeking out anything strange and questionable in existence
everything so far placed under a ban by morality
The ice is near, the solitude tremendous
but how serenely all things lie in the light,
how freely one breaths,
how much one feels lies beneath oneself"

Sils Maria
Sils Maria

The Nietzsche News Center: http://www.nietzsche-news.org/index.php?page=/nnc/home

Donini
Yes, it's dense... "dichtung" in German... making dense. I find dichtung admirable and usually I prefer it to the twitterung and facelooking of today. No anger involved though ... it is as it is. And after all I'm primarily a sport climber... Lol...
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 26, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
Dense.......climbing then was so philosophical....now it's mostly physical.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
Jim, when are you going to come clean about your Faustian bargain?
If it would compromise you in any way then never mind.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 26, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
Hell fire is waiting....would rather be with my friends anyway.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 26, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
Yeah, what ever happened to the philosopher climber? I remember them in the 60s and early 70s and then it seems climbing began to focus so much on athleticism and a more competitive sense of achievment... though, not to be philosophical, that may just be my subjective experience.
QITNL

climber
Mar 26, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
Nietszche factors in here:
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/nazi_connection_shambhala_tibet.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938–1939_German_expedition_to_Tibet
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:12am PT
Will To Power is an interesting set of words. I'm going to morf it into Will To Action for my own needs. Sometimes we need to activate our will in consistent doses to kickstart action. That can evolve into a sense of power but that goes with the territory.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 1, 2013 - 02:52pm PT

"Freedom and Individualism On The Rocks" by Dane Scott in "Climbing Philosophy For Everyone" on Wiley Blackwell (Editor: Fritz Allhoff)
 the examples used: "The Bachar-Yerian" (Bachar and Yerian), "To Bolt Or Not To Be" (Alan Watts, J-B Tribout) and "The Path" (Sonnie Trotter)
Credit: Marlow
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goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा
Aug 22, 2014 - 11:44am PT
Unpacking some books I haven't seen in 10 years and good old Alan Watts popped up.
Kind of relevant to climbing or maybe something bigger.



All your five senses are differing forms of one basic sense—something like touch. Seeing is highly sensitive touching. The eyes touch, or feel, light waves and so enable us to touch things out of reach of our hands.

Similarly, the ears touch sound waves in the air, and the nose tiny particles of dust and gas. But the complex patterns and chains of neurons which constitute these senses are composed of neuron units which are capable of changing between just two states: on or off.

To the central brain the individual neuron signals either yes or no — that’s all. But, as we know from computers which employ binary arithmetic in which the only figures are 0 and 1, these simple elements can be formed into the most complex and marvelous patterns.

In this respect our nervous system and 0/1 computers are much like everything else, for the physical world is basically vibration. Whether we think of this vibration in terms of waves or of particles, or perhaps wavicles, we never find the crest of a wave without a trough or a particle without an interval, or space, between itself and others.

In other words, there is no such thing as a half wave, or a particle all by itself without any space around it. There is no on without off, no up without down.

http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2014/01/27/alan-watts-taboo/
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Aug 22, 2014 - 12:02pm PT

The philosopher king

“The problem now is how to lose me..” (Nietzsche, Turin, 4th January 1889)

Here your peregrination ends. No more borders
to cross; no more mountains to scale. The night train
steams through the sleeping Alps, rattling you home.
You chant the Gondola Song; slump under drugs.

In the house of the mad you ramble in French,
eat like a Titan, smash windows, scrawl in the dust.
Every deep spirit wears a mask –
but now the actor’s dead, the mask of insanity
is stuck in your face, a permanent grimace.

Soon your sister will crown you philosopher king,
dress you in white, comb your walrus moustache,
place you in a high chair, powder your skin.

Each morning from the high veranda
you gaze towards Buchenwald and the swastika sun.
The steel light chisels the distant pines.
Your posthumous life has already begun.


paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Aug 22, 2014 - 05:00pm PT
Wow, awesome bit of film...
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Aug 22, 2014 - 07:16pm PT
Fitting music too.

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