Nietzsche and Modern Mountaineering - Wilfrid Noyce

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t*r

Trad climber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbrWu8XyAcM&feature
Jul 10, 2010 - 12:31pm PT
for a minute i was worried this was charles goethe and not johann von goethe (until i looked up the time periods... this is why i'm not a history major)
Thomas

Trad climber
The Tilted World
Jul 10, 2010 - 03:14pm PT
Thank you sir!

Randisi

Boulder climber
PA
Jul 12, 2010 - 10:51am PT
It bears pointing out that Nietzsche's insanity was due to syphilis.

The poor bastard probably only had sex once in his life!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 12, 2010 - 07:41pm PT
I wonder if Noyce knew about his VD?
Randisi

Boulder climber
PA
Jul 16, 2010 - 11:03am PT
I wonder if Noyce knew about his VD?

No, Steve.

It was pretty much assumed that Nietzsche went nuts because of his ideas or his heredity. His father died around the age of 37 from some kind of softening of the brain, if I recall correctly.

Nietzsche never knew he had it either, though at least one doctor's records diagnosed him with it. If his family were told of it after his death, his sister surely actively suppressed this information.

I must say that, for a Brit, at that time (just after WWII), Noyce was relatively fair to Nietzsche (who was unjustly seen as a Nazi philosopher. Nietzsche hated Anti-Semites, hated Germans - he often tried to pass himself off as Polish! - and would have thought Hitler was a boor). However, Nietzsche was not as frail as Noyce portrayed him. He hiked quite a lot.

Steve L

Gym climber
SUR
Jul 16, 2010 - 01:19pm PT
Wow, very cool. Funny, I was cleaning out a bunch of crap from my apartment a couple of days ago and came across a box of old books. It had my hard back copy of Zarathustra in it, which I haven't read in 20 years. That was long before I started climbing. Now I'm motivated to re-read it from a very different perspective. Thanks for posting.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
Philosophical bump...
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 24, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
The hopeless romanticism of the mountains!
The hopeless romanticism of the mountains!
Credit: paul roehl

Seeking the source for the romantic interest in mountain climbing as an act of pleasure, really leads to JJ Rousseau.
Also... you really have to hand it to Steve Grossman for creating some of the most interesting threads on this website!
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Mar 24, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
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Mungeclimber

Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
Mar 24, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
Cintune, where did you get that image?
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Mar 24, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
Made it a long time ago, finally found a place to use it. I think the guy with the rope came from an early subscription card from Alpinist, or maybe a membership card from the AAC, or somewhere. The painting is Wanderer in a Sea of Cloud, by Caspar David Friedrich, it was actually painted 25 years before Nietzsche was born.
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Mar 24, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
Awesome! Grossman comes through with the content again.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
Nietzsche Haus at Sils Maria


"Philosophy:
Living voluntarily among ice and high mountains
seeking out anything strange and questionable in existence
everything so far placed under a ban by morality
The ice is near, the solitude tremendous
but how serenely all things lie in the light,
how freely one breaths,
how much one feels lies beneath oneself"

Sils Maria
Sils Maria

The Nietzsche News Center: http://www.nietzsche-news.org/index.php?page=/nnc/home

Donini
Yes, it's dense... "dichtung" in German... making dense. I find dichtung admirable and usually I prefer it to the twitterung and facelooking of today. No anger involved though ... it is as it is. And after all I'm primarily a sport climber... Lol...
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
Dense.......climbing then was so philosophical....now it's mostly physical.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
Jim, when are you going to come clean about your Faustian bargain?
If it would compromise you in any way then never mind.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
Hell fire is waiting....would rather be with my friends anyway.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Yeah, what ever happened to the philosopher climber? I remember them in the 60s and early 70s and then it seems climbing began to focus so much on athleticism and a more competitive sense of achievment... though, not to be philosophical, that may just be my subjective experience.
QITNL

climber
Mar 26, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
Nietszche factors in here:
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/nazi_connection_shambhala_tibet.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19381939_German_expedition_to_Tibet
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Mar 26, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
Will To Power is an interesting set of words. I'm going to morf it into Will To Action for my own needs. Sometimes we need to activate our will in consistent doses to kickstart action. That can evolve into a sense of power but that goes with the territory.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 1, 2013 - 11:52am PT

"Freedom and Individualism On The Rocks" by Dane Scott in "Climbing Philosophy For Everyone" on Wiley Blackwell (Editor: Fritz Allhoff)
 the examples used: "The Bachar-Yerian" (Bachar and Yerian), "To Bolt Or Not To Be" (Alan Watts, J-B Tribout) and "The Path" (Sonnie Trotter)
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