9/11 belief, mythology, and the unknowable (OT)

If we admit that we will never know all, that our minds can only accept logical explanations

Then you have to accept God as well, or it just shows just how closed minded you are

I read it once, twice, and I still can't figure out what he is trying to say

the problem with your other premise is that you're assuming there was a jet full of passengers. the great refutation of this is that there was never anything shown in the wreckage to confirm that, except a few items, rather obviously planted, which had nothing to do with a jetliner's interior. there is a piece of jet engine which was inadvertently photographed, and identified as coming from a different and smaller jet engine than that supposedly crashed.

Apparently the Tin Hatters have a rather inflated sense of their understanding of physics and metallurgy. When you ram aluminum with a few bits of steel reinforcement into a very massive concrete structure at 400 mph and then douse it with 15,000 gallons of jet fuel you'll be lucky to have anything left let alone any of the plane's interior or passengers. There are 128,000 BTU's per gallon of jet fuel - do the math.

Also strange that people were photographed standing in the holes made by the planes in the towers. How could anyone do that if the fire was so hot that it brought down the building?

Karl,
That is an example of the strand of straw driven through a tree by a tornadoe; it happens all the time. It is also what happens when you shoot someone - a nice clean entry hole. Elementary physics.
I'm well aware that the fan blades weren't going to burn. Your point is

Take the Air Force send them on a mission to Canada

i understand it would have been as simple as the pilot switching over to put the plane under control by air traffic control.

So what is anybody going to really do, revolt, protest, or just keep blabbing about this and living our lives in complete unconscious denial?

MSNBC In Cover-Up Of Manifestly Provable Population Control Plan
http://www.prisonplanet.com/msnbc-in-cover-up-of-manifestly-provable-population-control-plan.html

You can't be fooled again.

got any kids, wade?

my wife and i understand the bad things that are going on in the world, and we can't even talk about them around the dinner table with our own children, now into their 20s. information bias at work again, and at least part of it comes from a steady diet of half-truths.

even if you're wrong in what you teach, i'd rather have my kids pick up on it and discuss it at home. they'll learn when someone is sincere. the message you're giving with all that equivocation is "i can't do anything and someday you won't be able to either"

The last time I looked, or checked, GOD isn't gonna come down and allow himself to be measured, tested, and studied.

The last time I looked, or checked, GOD isn't gonna come down and allow himself to be measured, tested, and studied.



You completely contradict your self.

God can be measured although the measurements will be unlimited.

God can be tested.

God can be studied. If you can't study him how will you ever know him although you will never come to a complete end to know him.

If these can not be done then you might as well say there is no God

the jet fuel burned off very quickly

the big trial of anna mae's accused killer is coming up. i've come to suspect the same sort of thing going on all over the 9/11 truth movement, where people behave strangely and scuttle things which begin to get traction. labeling us as flakes generally works a charm, but then there was the strange murder of michael zebuhr, a graduate student of engineering professor judy wood.

Official Conspiracy theory

The 16 foot hole was on the second floor, dumbass, right about where the tail would go thru.

Truthers like to show the pic that has the huge first floor hole covered by smoke and firefighter water.

Seek and you will find many pics and composite pics that document the huge hole that is wide enough for engine-to-engine entry on the first floor. Also visible is wingtip damage.

An airliner would look LARGE and TALL next to a 40-50 foot tall building. THAT image is about 12 foot tall tail. Mas o minos ...

Does the actual photo frame in the .gif look like it is ANYWHERE NEAR THAT TALL??

Hermann Goering, quotes about Nazi:
Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_about/nazi

That is about as childish a statement as I can imagine.

Given a quarter of a second later it was...

Dirt,
your ht is based on a wheels down scenario. Pretty sure the ragheads didn't go "three in the green, down and locked". Subtract about 10' for a belly-in.

Klimmer, you have provided no explanation to account for the observation that Coz produced (Cuba has nothing to do with this conversation and does not support you hypothesis) . Once again, where are the passengers and why was DNA from the passengers in the Pentagon?

Passengers? Better question try and find out who they where, and if they really existed.

As far as the video goes. Please! No where near the hieght nor length. I see the tail.....good job.....I can also see where it impacts....I thus can judge the hieght to be approximately 30ft. (Per Video) I also notice I have no problem picking up white anywhere in the Photo. Funny that I have never really scene a black commercial airliner. At least not one so dark. But I digress....the official story does say they pulled of an insane turn, and sorry no belly skid. So with the wings up, why can't I see them?

i was in the news business for 10 years, reporter/editor for little, insignificant newspapers around the country. when something like this would come up, we'd send human interest reporters out to be all over it. for something like this, we'd be at the doorstep of bereaved families, interviewing them on their loss. photographers would be taking pictures of the sad containers of the bits of identified remains. it would be all over the front page.

That is a cheap shot, make by a puny knothole f*#ker.


Something like 1 in five men are currently out of work, working out of their field, or underemployed in Idaho.


I happen to be wealthy enough and have the support of enough people that I am not dying from a lack of work.

I can go on like this for years.



I must have been pretty smart at some point, I have managed to be unemployed a LONG time, and I still am drinking beer, riding two thousand dollar mountain bikes, and taking trips everywhere from New York to Yosemite.

Can you say as much?






Personal attacks at me are not going to disprove the Pentagon attack issues that are being raised here.

Do you belive the Pentagon hit was a plane or a missile?

And lets not forget, the rest of the WORLD is in on this story. MANY articles have been printed in international publications and some entire nations flat out say we are lying

Where's Bugs when we need him!

This has been going on forever and thanks to irresponsible population growth, it's getting worse. Checked out Kingdom of Heaven, Director's Cut (Ridley Scott) this week. Good movie and fair perspective. Not about population growth BTW. God forbid, the subject no one can handle.

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.