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TLP

climber
Sep 15, 2018 - 02:57am PT
Tom, you didn't read jstan's words carefully enough; or chose simply to ignore his question. To repeat, how would you test the hypothesis scientifically? Simply stating that there are a lot of eyewitnesses does not answer this question. The fact that there are so many statements without non-graphic corroborative data makes them extremely suspect. To have so many alien beings and crafts whizzing around at all times without other types of evidence showing up frequently, in quantity, is completely implausible.

To date, there seems to be no actual data suggesting elements or alloys or compounds unknown to earthbound science/engineering; no hard data of any organisms that do not fit into the earth biota phylogenies. When that kind of evidence is presented and examined independently and published in peer-reviewed sources, we'll all be more interested. Billions of people are convinced of the absolute reality of things that billions of other people are equally sure are complete fabrications. That's why science depends on other types of concrete evidence.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Sep 15, 2018 - 07:39am PT
I think I know.

K2.0 Please expound.

Scientists are not doing their job

Generalization. So like, who's in charge? (Candians may actually have someone) [FACT: Nobody's in charge on this planet. That job is up for grabs.]
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 15, 2018 - 09:47am PT
TLP, I don't know anything about you, but I stated that this is an important subject whether or not space aliens are involved!

I am not at all ignoring jstan's questions and I am not making any claims about the subject one way or the other! I am begging people to do their homework and comment on the basis of real evidence rather than cheep tabloid opinions.

The problem isn't how to come up with scientific proof. That is available in abundance and I occasionally try to refer people to interesting researchers such as the one referenced above who has spent decades examining a few aspects of the problem. The scientific problem is academics with vested interests unwilling to to look at research results in spite of concerted official attempts to obfuscate and cover up the subject.

It is not my job to convince you any more than it is my job to convince you about quantum physics. The research findings are available for those who chose to look. If you choose to believe that the double slit experiment couldn't be real because it violates your understanding of Newtonian physics, then I don't know how to help you.

The fact that the subject is heavily suppressed in spite of abundant evidence should be an invitation of interest for anyone who doesn't have their head in the sand.

There are physical material samples that have been carefully examined in accredited material sciences laboratories who conclude we have no idea how to manufacture such materials.

https://www.earthfiles.com/2018/08/09/part-7-mysterious-metal-from-bottom-of-wedge-shaped-ufo-update-1996-2018-research/

Recovered from UFO crash site Bismuth Magnesium Zinc micron-layered ma...
Recovered from UFO crash site Bismuth Magnesium Zinc micron-layered material with unusual electromagnetic properties
Credit: Linda Moulton Howe

Similarly with biological materials. There is so much evidence available now that the only excuse for not knowing is intentionally choosing not to look. It is not particularly challenging to find empirical scientific evidence. It is challenging to assimilate the evidence within our world view.

On a personal note, I grew up as a skeptic in a household where Kenneth Arnold and Chet Moulton and my dad were friends and colleagues.

Kenneth A. Arnold (March 29, 1915 - January 16, 1984) was an American aviator and businessman.He is best known for making what is generally considered the first widely reported unidentified flying object sighting in the United States, after claiming to have seen nine unusual objects flying in tandem near Mount Rainier, Washington on June 24, 1947.


Aviation veteran Chet Moulton dies at 86 Associated Press Jun 29, 1994
BOISE Chet Moulton, Idaho's director of aviation for more than a quarter century, died Sunday in Boise of prostate cancer. He was 86.Moulton, a Kansas native, served from the late 1940s into the 1970s as state aeronautics director. During his tenure, more than 100 new airfields and airstrips were developed in the state. He was named Idaho's outstanding state employee in 1967 and in 1970, Flying Magazine named him ''General Aviation Man of the Year,'' citing his leadership with limited resources to create a number of firsts in the United States.

Linda Moulton has devoted her life to this subject and is a lifetime friend since we were children, but I only know a fraction of what she has diligently examined.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 15, 2018 - 10:15am PT
Perhaps you can provide a better explanation as to how these craft operate:

Front page stories in Washington Post and New York Times
Front page stories in Washington Post and New York Times
Credit: TomCochrane

The US military has reportedly confirmed an encounter between its naval aircraft and a UFO, which occurred nearly 14 years ago.

A 13-page report commissioned by the Pentagon reveals the details of a cat-and-mouse game between a UFO and a US strike carrier group in the Pacific, according to media reports.

The paper, which was obtained by KLAS-TV, describes an incident that occurred in November 2004 when aircraft carrier USS Nimitz and its escort vessels encountered an unidentified flying craft off the coast of California.

Several months ago video footage allegedly recorded by one of the fighter jets presented during the Nimitz incident was uploaded on YouTube, showing what appears to be a UFO being chased by the aircraft.

The unidentified craft, designated in the report as “Tic Tac,” was described as a 46-foot-long “solid white” object, “smooth with no edges.”

The report allegedly claimed that the unidentified craft resembled no known plane in the world and was capable of “advanced aerodynamic performance,” with “advanced propulsion” and the “ability to cloak or become invisible,” not to mention the ability to render “US radar based engagement capabilities ineffective.”

The UFO reportedly managed to evade the fighter jets, which attempted to intercept it, and was able to “operate unchallenged in close vicinity” to the carrier group.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Sep 15, 2018 - 10:33am PT
If a ship is going to cross interstellar space, areodynamics are likely irrelevant. They would be operating something we do not understand at all.


Just as a side note - according to this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_year

Our solar system, along with our planet, is traveling at a speed of 514,000 MPH.

I did the math and figured out that in the last 45 years or so we have traveled less than 20% of one light year.

I would nvever be so bold as to say humans will never achieve interstellar travel, that would be very unscientific. This just illustrates the point that we have a lot to learn.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 15, 2018 - 10:34am PT
In order for a lie to persist, it must contain elements of the truth.

In Judo if a large man attacks you, the technique isn't to try and stop the attack, but to redirect the attack to his disadvantage.

When the public begins to see through the official lies into a domain of relative truthfulness, the technique isn't to try and bring them back to the pack of lies, but to redirect their attention into another domain of stories similar to the truth, but that are eventually discovered to be false.

Our biggest challenge is gleaning truth from massive official efforts to obfuscate and cover up the truth.

The first difficult step is realizing that these controllers have big things to hide and commit great resources to keeping the public in the dark as controllable sheeple.

Once you take that first difficult step, then it is up to you figuring out what is true for yourself. Our ability to perceive patterns in confusion is the critical required skill.

I don't think this guy sees the whole picture, but I do think what he presents is very important. it's a waste of time if you don't view his entire presentation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmq-3Crw4cA
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 15, 2018 - 10:41am PT
I love this stuff.... far better than politard threads!
TLP

climber
Sep 15, 2018 - 10:51am PT
Human beings have been subject to mass delusions of various kinds for the entire history of the species, including the present time (perhaps especially so, given our communication means). So that possibility isn't of much scientific interest. I totally agree it is essential to be open minded, and I personally would love to examine documentation that fits what I said:
When that kind of evidence is presented and examined independently and published in peer-reviewed sources, we'll all be more interested.
But your link does not meet that standard. If you have another one to a standard engineering or metallurgical journal or equivalent, I'd love to check it out, really. Same for anything biological.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 15, 2018 - 11:08am PT
About the time Project Blue Book was winding down I met a guy whose uncle was a bird colonel on the project. The only thing he told him was

“99.9% of sightings are nonsense and you wouldn’t believe me if I told you about the others.”
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 15, 2018 - 11:23am PT
Most people with real knowledge inside the projects have only a very narrow view of what is going on ... called Compartmented Secret Information on a Need to Know Basis. However some of the top dogs have started talking in their old age approaching death.

You are not going to find verification for such questions within a standard engineering or metallurgical journal or other scientific journals as they are heavily censored by the same controllers who don't want you to know about this stuff. I realize it is very difficult to grasp that tight control of knowledge and understanding can be so pervasive in our society, but that is the real truth.

One of the senior scientific managers I work with at NASA has a small sign on his office door: "You want the proof? You can't handle the proof!"

The major challenge of our era is that their control of the dialog is failing rapidly and the controllers are not about to go away quietly. This is leading to chaos and anarchy, particularly in D.C. Their control of the trillion dollar defense budget depends upon war and having big enemies. Accordingly the Doomsday Clock of the Bulletin of Nuclear Scientists is right now closer to nuclear war than we have ever been. Russia and China are right now participating in huge war games in response to US threats with fingers on the triggers.

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 15, 2018 - 11:28am PT
As we grow older most of us realize we know less than a tiny fraction of the real truth. Every day we learn more but realize we're still staring at shadows on the same cave wall.

I still love that opening scene from Prometheus... the rest of the film was trash.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Sep 15, 2018 - 11:30am PT
Tom,

In light of the bellicosity you claim Russia and China are engaging in, will you be offering your services to the United States Space Force ?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 15, 2018 - 11:31am PT
KLERK PENINSULA, Russia — Russian naval forces have conducted a submarine search using an anti-submarine ship and a helicopter in the Sea of Okhotsk as part of Russia’s largest-ever military exercises.

About 3,200 troops from China have joined about 300,000 Russian troops for a week of war games in Siberia and the Far East, and over the Arctic and Pacific oceans. The maneuvers continue through Monday.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/russias-biggest-war-games-include-submarine-hunt-in-pacific/2018/09/15/739da462-b8ef-11e8-ae4f-2c1439c96d79_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cdbfdcdfde29

Hi, Tom.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 15, 2018 - 11:37am PT
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Vostok-2018 large-scale international drills will be held at five military training grounds and in the waters of the Sea of Japan, the Bering Sea and the Sea of Okhotsk and will become the largest event in the recent history of the country's armed forces maneuvers.

"The Vostok-2018 military maneuvers have begun in Russia's Far East," the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement on Tuesday.

The military maneuvers have received an international status since Chinese and Mongolian troops will also take part in one of the drill's stages. In particular, the Chinese Air Force will send 26 helicopters and 6 jets to Russia for taking part in Vostok-2018 military drills, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement. According to the ministry, the Chinese Air Force group will also include six Mi-171 helicopters, which have been bought in Russia, as well as nine Z-9 and nine Z-19 choppers.

"Over 6,000 troops from three military formations and three separate units of the Airborne will participate in the Vostok-2018 drills," the ministry said in a statement. The ministry added that over 900 pieces of armoured and wheeled vehicles of the Airborne would be used for the exercises.

Празднование Дня Военно-морского флота России в Балтийске
© RIA Novosti . Igor Zarembo
Russia Drills Area in Mediterranean Dangerous for Navigation, Air Traffic - Navy
Overall, nearly 300,000 servicemen, 36,000 tanks, armored personnel carriers and other vehicles, more than a thousand aircraft will be involved in the drills set to become Russia's largest military exercises since the Zapad drills in 1981.

"These are the largest drills of the Armed Forces, which acquired the status of international drills, since the Zapad 1981 exercises, it has an unprecedented scale, both in terms of spatial scope and number of involved military command, troops and forces," Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said earlier in August.

The maneuvers will aim to check the combat skills of the Russian land, air and naval forces and will take place on September 11-17. The Russian international exercise will also coincide with NATO's Rapid Trident 2018 military drills, which is being held in Ukraine on September 3-15.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 15, 2018 - 11:49am PT
Привет том.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 15, 2018 - 11:52am PT
The gas bill for that must be high.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 15, 2018 - 11:59am PT
On March 1, President Vladimir Putin gave his annual state-of-the-nation address to Russia’s Federal Assembly and unveiled the country’s six new state of the art strategic weapon systems.

According to Putin, the advanced arms are based on unique technological achievements. One of them is a “small-scale heavy-duty nuclear energy unit”, which enables the development “a strategic nuclear weapons system with a nuclear-powered missile.”

The X-101 “is a low-flying stealth missile carrying a nuclear warhead. It has almost an unlimited range, unpredictable trajectory and ability to bypass interception boundaries. It is invincible against all existing and prospective missile defense and counter-air defense systems.” The missile can maneuvers for as long as necessary.” It was successfully launched at the Central training ground in late 2017.

The high-precision hypersonic aircraft missile system Kinzhal. The missile flies at a hypersonic speed, 10 times faster than the speed of sound; it can also maneuver during all phases of its flight trajectory, which also allows it to overcome anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense systems, delivering nuclear and conventional warheads within a range of over 2,000 kilometers. On December 1, 2017 these systems began their trial service from the airfields of Russia’s Southern Military District.

An intercontinental nuclear unmanned submersible vehicle, which can move at great depths intercontinentally, at a speed multiple times higher than the speed of submarines, cutting-edge torpedoes and all kinds of surface vessels, including some of the fastest. They can carry either conventional or nuclear warheads. An innovative nuclear power unit for this unmanned underwater vehicle completed a test cycle in December 2017.

The strategic hypersonic missile system Avangard – a successfully tested gliding wing unit is capable of intercontinental flight at supersonic speeds in excess of Mach 20. The gliding cruise bloc can travel intercontinental distances and engages in intensive maneuvering – both lateral and vertical, practically in conditions of plasma formation. The temperature on its surface reaches 1,600–2,000 degrees Celsius.

The super-heavy intercontinental ballistic missile Sarmat, weighs over 200 tonnes, it has a short boost phase, which makes it more difficult to intercept for missile defense systems. It is equipped with a broad range of powerful nuclear warheads, including hypersonic ones, and the most modern means of evading missile defense. Sarmat has practically no range restrictions.

Additionally, since 2017, Russian troops have been armed with laser weapons.

Hi Mouse!
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Sep 15, 2018 - 12:24pm PT
Credit: Winemaker
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 15, 2018 - 12:33pm PT





Witnesses? We'll show you some stinking witnesses

Klimmer2.0

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Sep 15, 2018 - 02:58pm PT
Yes I think I know ...

I agree with what Gary Bates has to say on the matter. Very well researched documentary that was shown in the theaters across the US. Only in the theaters for a few nights. I went and watched it. Very good. Secular researchers and Christian believing researchers together work it out.

You may disagree, but at least watch the full documentary when you can. You have to understand this perspective to be educated on the full matter.

Alien Intrusion [Official Movie Trailer] #2
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZxYkM7PB7U



Gary Bates | Unmasking Alien Intrusion and ...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E_SDBKVAnpY

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