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Phantom X

Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
Apr 9, 2016 - 10:11am PT
Can't we install a force field or something similar around the earth to keep the G-d damn aliens out so that they quit disturbing us? And make them pay for it! I don't know how to handle the skeptics.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 9, 2016 - 10:48am PT
just who is being gullible around here??

You are, and maybe getting demented for all I know. Having built the same series of computers as you, I can speak to the fact that, yes, we do actually know enough about cosmology, physics and material science to say it's all total bullsh#t. What's more, none of that is even required - common sense alone is enough to conclude that.

Once again, the notion the US has been veritable extraterrestrial union station for the past sixty years is simply moronic in the extreme.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 10, 2016 - 12:48pm PT
Well if the evidence is true, and the many eye witnesses are not lying, then it isn't moronic. They're here. It's true.

The fact that you can't wrap your head around that and you can't understand the physics of it all, doesn't matter. Doesn't mean it's not real.

Perhaps one of the best documentaries out there for understanding the UFO phenomenon and getting your head out of the sand ...


UFOs OUT OF THE BLUE - HD FEATURE FILM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cYPCKIL7oVw

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Apr 10, 2016 - 04:02pm PT
Klimmer
use plain words to describe the evidence
please give us an account of a single occurrence that was documented and can be traced back to the original event.

My computer won't run the videos or click on links
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 10, 2016 - 04:04pm PT
They're here. It's true.

They're not. It's false. And pathetically sad as well.
couchmaster

climber
Apr 10, 2016 - 04:46pm PT
Kevin Fosberg asked:
What is your name healyje?
That is his name. Mostly. He's a real person, not a gov't agent if that is the inference, and having tied in with said Healyje I can also speak to the fact that he climbs. Fairly decent too for an old dude:-)




They're here. It's true.
They're not. It's false. And pathetically sad as well.
Hey man, what about the reptilian shapeshifters? Are you just putting your head in the sand again? Even 2 min on google and you can get the full scoop about that. Obama, Queen Elisabeth, Bush, Trump....






LOL, now I'm doing it. Sorry if I belittled anyone's views there. Nah. Sorry/not sorry -I'm going to hell. I'm really not serious about the shapeshifters, although there are folks who are.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/reptilian-shapeshifters-from-hell-obama-our-government-and-in-our-society-ultimate-plan-of-destruction-and-the-time-is-now-mind-blowing-videos-and-photos-2918252.html










rmuir

Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
Apr 10, 2016 - 05:19pm PT
Well if the evidence is true, and the many eye witnesses are not lying, then it isn't moronic. They're here. It's true.

Your evidentiary presumptions appear lacking. It is equally valid—perhaps more so—that if the evidence is false, and the many "eye witnesses" are lying, then it is moronic. They're not here. It's not true.

The fact that you can't wrap your head around that and you can't understand the physics of it all, doesn't matter. Doesn't mean it's not real.

Your pomposity is staggering. Try as you might, trotting out a few questionable oddities—in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary—does not prove your point. (And this pretty-much goes for your Biblical "evidence" as well…)


EXTRATERRESTRIALS MAY BE OUT THERE But He Says They’re Not Here

http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/extraterrestrials-may-be-out-there/

An interview with Philip J. Klass (1919–2005), the world’s leading UFO skeptic, was published in Skeptic magazine volume 7, number 4 in 1999.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Apr 10, 2016 - 05:30pm PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.

Apr 10, 2016 - 04:02pm PT
My computer won't run the videos or click on links



[img]http://img.clubic.com/0258000008261946-photo-vtech.jpg[/img]
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Apr 10, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
'Nuf said.
'Nuf said.
Credit: Winemaker
Randisi

climber
Apr 10, 2016 - 07:41pm PT
Hmm...

Snowy-Milou looks irritated.

Is he a Reptilian-Andean-Nephilitic-Freemason-Bildeburger-Giant in disguise?

We all know how dyspeptic they can be!

Or perhaps he is merely suffering from hyphenitis.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Apr 10, 2016 - 08:14pm PT
So Randisi, lording over us again with your French??????

Well, two can play that game:

Regarder, un vaisseau spatial extraterrestre volant!!!!!!! (thanks Google)
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Apr 10, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
interesting discussion

i am very familiar with how people can cling to their view of reality like grim death and i respect people going to great lengths to reinforce their world view

i remain personally unconvinced that we know much about much of anything, especially some of the unusual phenomena and observations and ancient artifacts that seem interesting and difficult to explain honestly

my personal opinion is that commonly accepted world views are so childish as to be comical if we didn't have so much invested in them…particularly the material sciences, physics, and cosmology … not to mention politics, economics, religion, etc

the truth of reality is likely well beyond the wildest imaginations of most humans, and it is our great challenge to try and make sense of our observations and to understand

you can study the history of the sciences in considering this viewpoint

it is not helpful holding a fixed myopic world view into which we try to fit scarce samplings of facts

there are concepts and there are data, and often not much relationship between the two



for a minor example we got a county SAR rope rescue team callout last week where a very intelligent and consciensous solo hiker (she is a financial analyst) called 911 on her cell phone to report she had fallen off a cliff and landed in a very uncomfortable position on a rocky ledge and was afraid to move because she would fall further off the cliff

she was in an area with many steep cliffs and i was set up to do a roped pickoff with the team gearing up to do a haul and carry

when we go to her, four of us walked along the trail she had lost and walked UP about three feet to where she had spent two hours uninjured in absolute terror clinging to the rocky ground and afraid to move

if she had slipped or fallen, she would have landed on the trail

we talked to her and held her hand and helped her stand up and walked her back to the trail and back to her car

don't bother trying to explain that her abject terror bore no relationship to reality and that she was in no danger of falling off a cliff
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Apr 10, 2016 - 08:41pm PT
Credit: Craig Fry
WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2016 - 08:43pm PT
So true Tom.

Same thing happened once here.

The guy was "ledged Out" lol.

I walked right up to him and held his hand walking back on a narrow ledge back to the talus which was about 20 feet.

Your grandmother could have done it ......
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Apr 10, 2016 - 08:44pm PT
The fact that you can't wrap your head around that and you can't understand the physics of it all, doesn't matter. Doesn't mean it's not real.

Likewise, the fact that you believe extraterrestrial beings are landing here doesn't mean they really are.

Neither I, nor anyone else, can prove that we've never been visited by beings from elsewhere. But, as anyone who has mastered the basics of logic can tell you, not being able to disprove something, doesn't prove that something.

If, as you and others believe, extraterrestrial beings are constantly visiting our planet, show me something that will make me take you seriously. And no, "Well this important guy has a video in which he says alien spacecraft are landing here" is not serious evidence. If alien spacecraft are really landing here, take me to one.

The way you and others talk about this, our planet is an intergalactic transfer hub, with alien spacecraft popping in and out all the time. If so, where is the proof? Of the 7 billion people on this planet, at least half are walking around with cell phone cameras 24/7. Where are the pictures? And no, not some fuzzy photoshop job, but a real clear picture. 25 years ago, those fuzzy photos might have been the best evidence available. Not now.

You can make a case that the US government is running a massive cover-up, but so what? Is the Peruvian government capable of that kind of cover-up? The Latvian government? The Indonesian government?

Or are the aliens only visiting the US, because, you know, no one goes to Germany any more, it's just so last year.

Same thing with the giants that walked the earth with your grandpa. Where are the bones? Other than in a stupid photoshop picture, that is.

I don't deny that the US government has put a lid on any number of things it doesn't want you to know. But it's a big world, and if extraterrestrial (but, you know, humanoid-looking) beings were here in the numbers you believe they are, we'd all know about it.

And, just so you know, I suspect there is plenty of intelligent life in the universe. And I hope to see real evidence of it before I die. But real evidence is, so far, not available.
WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2016 - 08:49pm PT
You have to have special eyeballs to see the aliens.

They are in subtle material bodies not visible to the gross materialists.

Thus the stooopid gross materialists are always talking sh!t about everything they are clueless to .....
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Apr 10, 2016 - 08:53pm PT
those of you who claim there is no solid evidence to be considered are simply betraying the fact that you have not bothered to do your homework...

even when the extensive research of others is offered to you for free



i am not telling you what to believe

i am telling you to do your homework before holding so tightly to conventional world views



Edit: Werner Braun is way too far out for this crowd, so don't even try until you have invested comparable levels of effort…whether we are talking about the unusual phenomena of his rock climbing in Yosemite or his understanding of other sorts of unusual phenomena
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Apr 10, 2016 - 09:45pm PT
Geez Tom,

"my personal opinion is that commonly accepted world views are so childish as to be comical if we didn't have so much invested in them…particularly the material sciences, physics, and cosmology … not to mention politics, economics, religion, etc"

Maybe it's because these 'commonly accepted world views' actually work? They allow us to predict things and check the results. Until the alien people (non-Trump types) are able to produce some sort of scientific, meaning testable, stuff, it is all BS. Except for Tintin.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Apr 10, 2016 - 10:34pm PT
yes some stuff works fine and at each stage of 'history' the authorities and 'scientists' have claimed the moral high ground with each generation of 'flat earth theories'

Newtonian physics 'works' yet provides an incomplete understanding

Relativity 'works' yet admittedly provides an incomplete understanding and has not been fully proven in all aspects

quantum theory is also fundamental to modern physics, yet those who created it say that if you think you understand it then you haven't studied sufficiently … and the creator of relativity theory didn't believe in the truth of quantum theory

the relationships between relativity and quantum theory have not been resolved after decades of study and experimentation

Nicola Tesla developed much of what we call modern technology, yet much of his advanced work has been heavily suppressed because it can't be monopolized for a profit

the fundamental forces defined by physics are admittedly not properly defined or understood

string theory is fundamental to modern physics and cosmology, and has yet to be fully defined, understood or proven and may turn to be a contrived fantasy attempt at understanding, in which case modern physics has been spinning its wheels for three decades

if string theory is proven out, then our (multi)universe is a much stranger place than anything being considered in this discussion

Rupert Sheldrake's authoritative work to resolve some of the above is rejected by a misbelieving establishment that finds his proposals highly inconvenient

are we having fun yet?

if you think you understand it all, then i'd like to know what planet you think you come from

saying you know what is going on when you can't even be bothered to watch presentations by diligent researchers, just puts you in the category of lazy unfounded opinionated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHxGQjirV-c&nohtml5=False
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 10, 2016 - 11:23pm PT
Again, even common sense alone debunks it all. Come on Tom, like I said, you're a bright boy - just what percentage of ufo's tales do you believe are real? 1%, 10%, 50%, a 100%, and how do you tell one from the other - come'on, out with it...
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