The Massive Ark on the Moon (very OT, but of high interest)

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Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
May 12, 2012 - 02:23pm PT
"But c'mon, even if you allow for such aliens, assume they have a sick fetish about the Earth, and that the most 'credible' UFO 'data' are real - then our alien visitors are then unavoidably, and in no uncertain terms, complete f*#king idiots. "











Uh gee Thanks, Healy.
I thought we were FRIENDS.

:(

See if I ever give you a RIDE on my SPACESHIP!!!

TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
May 12, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
...then our alien visitors are then unavoidably, and in no uncertain terms, complete f*#king idiots. "

yeah, that's why they created us like this
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
May 12, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
^^^^
Good one, Tom!

:)
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 12, 2012 - 03:00pm PT
tom: ...yeah, that's why they created us like this.

Ah, then I guess I'm forced to take that as you actually thinking the most 'credible' of the UFO 'data', taken as a whole, is coherent enough to say something logical or even vaguely rational about the morphology, material, flight, light, or heat characteristics involved.

Good luck with that...
WBraun

climber
May 12, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
The stooopid gross materialists are so fuking arrogant thinking their eyeballs are the only ones that can see anything.

If the gross mundane materialists can't see something with their limited defective eyeballs they think it doesn't exist.

The gross materialists are all defective and everything they create is defective.

All their measuring instruments are defective like them.

All foolish rascals with no good brains ......
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
Tom,

Thanks for saying things about what you know. You certainly have incredible opportunities to talk with a great deal of people that could know the truth and probably do know. What incredible pressure for them all to be quiet. Secrets can be kept. Job security can make a man or woman keep their mouth shut, no doubt. But even our NASA heroes have opened up: Werner Von Braun, Gordon Cooper, John Glenn, Edgar Mitchell, even Buzz Aldrin has said very curious things over the years, as well as Neil Armstrong.

I would read DARK MISSION: NASA's Secret History by Richard Hoagland and Mike Bara. Something strange does in-fact go on at NASA and JPL.




Yes, this is the Christian, Biblical point of view . . .

See videos, presentations, and books by:

Chuck Missler, PhD

Michael Heiser, PhD

David Flynn


They were here millions, billions of years (13.7B) before we were. They witnessed the Singularity, The Big Bang.

They occupied our Solar System long before we were ever here on Earth. They were the Sons of GOD. Then Lucifer, the most beautiful among them thought himself better than GOD, and wanted to be worshiped as GOD and led astray 33% of the Sons of GOD. They are the fallen ones. They are The Fallen Angels. They are full of lies and deceit. They warped the reality of GOD's plan, and deceitfully lied and made mankind believe they were GODs from significant constellations in our Universe, and went among many civilations throughout our history showing themselves as ET GODs. They aren't GODs. They are Sons of GOD. They were created and are similar to GOD, but they are not GOD. GOD warned us about them. Even as incredibly intelligent and powerful as they are, they can not create life. That is why they need DNA from mankind and abductions continue. They are coming back. "As the Days of Noah so shall be the coming of the Son of Man be." The Fallen Angels were mating with beautiful Earthly women and taking multiple wives of their choosing in the days of Noah. They also led mankind astray and taught us things we weren't supposed to know, like war, among many other things. Paradise was lost.

We can get it back. There is a plan by GOD. Jesus Christ showed it to us, showed us the way, and made it possible by giving his life for us.

There are things on this Earth that aren't explainable and couldn't have been done by man alone. There are artifacts, some even massive in size on The Moon and on Mars of a period of time gone by when the Sons of GOD walked among "The Stones of Fire." Read and study The Bible and The Book of Enoch to know more.

I'm sure our US government knows the truth of the matter and there would be many reasons to keep it secret from a very ill-conceived deceptive point of view. Even The Brookings Institute told our Government to hide the truth if we ever found it. It would be too hard for mankind to handle the truth more or less was their point of view. It would be too disruptive. NASA has abided by this policy. There is a very important scene in the movie Space Odyssey 2001 that directly addresses this.

Yes, perhaps to the very rich powerful and corrupt elite it would be too disruptive if we knew the full truth.



Prologue from Michael Heiser's very good novel based on truth called The Facade . . .


TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
May 12, 2012 - 03:49pm PT
yeah Werner, you have to admire the quality of their electronic traps that keep most of the inmates on this prison planet so stuck in the material world that they can't see anything outside of their line-of-sight and mental programming



Yes, perhaps to the very rich powerful and corrupt elite it would be too disruptive if we knew the full truth. -Klimmer

Yes, Klimmer, so I hope you are prepared to learn that some of your most cherished beliefs may be part of that deceit


I'm sure our US government knows the truth of the matter

i think that is highly unlikely

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
May 12, 2012 - 04:03pm PT
alien visitors are then unavoidably, and in no uncertain terms, complete f*#king idiots. "





I KNEW it!
Locker is an ALIEN!!!!!!

photo not found
Missing photo ID#247819
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
May 12, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
We have met the enemy, and they are us! - Pogo

'Them vs. Us' ...the concept of otherness is at the root of all conflicts
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 12, 2012 - 04:10pm PT
And you also have to admire those who make their living flipping bits and then leap off into the void casually leaving behind the very ideas that flip those bits.

P.S. You also just have to love the rabidly Pavlovian response to the word 'material' regardless of the context...
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
May 12, 2012 - 04:29pm PT
Healyje, i respect your opinions and really wish your somewhat conventional views of the world could explain reality as neatly as you claim.

But you really haven't done enough homework to be blithely tossing off many of your comments. Like many firmly held views of reality, it only works when you ignore many instances of outlying unusual phenomena and claim there is no such evidence.

i make no claim to understand everything, not even close. I will only claim that i do not personally know of any coherent world view that stands up to careful scrutiny

and in my experience with people, even the most rigorous researchers on any subject will not claim to fully understand their subject, unless they require the psychological security blanket of insisting their world view is the one and only truth. these are the ones who have stopped their learning process and are just trying to bolster up their security blanket.
locker

Social climber
CO
May 12, 2012 - 05:32pm PT


"I KNEW it!
Locker is an ALIEN!!!!!!"
...

I think you actually meant that I am a...


















































UFO...



















































Credit: locker
...


bmacd

Trad climber
100% Canadian
May 13, 2012 - 03:01am PT
Klimmer what the government does not know the military does, to a greater degree. This is where the secrets are kept.

I like Tom's use of the term prison planet a theme when put to good use explains why earth is not a utopia . I first encountered the concept through Lou Baldins writing on ATS and his books "In League with a UFO" and "A Day with an Extraterrestrial"

Lots of imaginative ideas to explain life on this planet, the role of Extraterrestrials and levels of creators. His plasma cosmology stuff is cool too. The sun gives birth to planets. The moons bearers of water from the gas giants . Disk accretion theory is horsesh#t.
jfailing

Trad climber
Lone Pine
May 13, 2012 - 03:12am PT
ok... so I'm watching Ancient Aliens as a back up program while there is a commercial playing on Billy the Exterminator.... who is the suave-ass dude with the unreal hair-do (or don't) and a Greek-ish name? Just what exactly is his deal??? Man I wish I had a wig like that going.

Russ - That dude went viral:





Check out more here: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ancient-aliens
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
May 14, 2012 - 07:26am PT
i make no claim to understand everything, not even close. I will only claim that i do not personally know of any coherent world view that stands up to careful scrutiny

and in my experience with people, even the most rigorous researchers on any subject will not claim to fully understand their subject, unless they require the psychological security blanket of insisting their world view is the one and only truth. these are the ones who have stopped their learning process and are just trying to bolster up their security blanket.

Amen, the more you know, the more you know that nobody really knows

Peace

Karl
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
May 16, 2012 - 10:00am PT
http://spacecoalition.com/blog/mars-rover-back-on-the-prowl-for-more-science

Mars rover tracks seen from orbit
Mars rover tracks seen from orbit
Credit: TomCochrane

unlike some here, i do think that there are US government entities who can keep big secrets. and more importantly big corporations

from the evidence of abundant published imagery around the solar system, i think it is safe to say that if there are big ships laying around out there, someone in positions of authority has high quality imagery of them

and there probably is a limitation on how long such could be kept under wraps

so do they?

i really do not know

my best guess would be:

probably not
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
May 16, 2012 - 11:58am PT
An important and pertinent study, that should be of interest to Klimmer and his friends:
http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
May 16, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
interesting, thanks

i have seen other similar studies indicating that EMF shielding is no simple matter

so quoting from my comments on the religion thread regarding things that might be affecting our brain wave patterns

So let's examine what might be influencing your experiment a little bit:

The room is bombarded with multi-spectral EMF; such as 60-cycle house current, radio waves across the entire spectrum from lab computers, the spectrum analyzer, video cameras, sound recording devices, fluorescent lights, smartphones, TV, radio, FAA RADAR, microwave communications, a microwave oven in the staff room, SATCOM, GPS, automobile engine controllers, etc
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
May 16, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
here's the one that does the trick:

http://www.stopabductions.com/
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 16, 2012 - 03:06pm PT
You guys ever see Mars Attacks?

True story. Little known fact.
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