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bob
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Apr 24, 2010 - 10:17am PT
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Kris, I've had some similar reactions in Josh as well. The most recent I blamed it on my girlfriends backpack because she's from Santa Cruz. I figured P. Oak musta been all over the pack for the odd reactions I was getting seemed like something I wouldn't find in Jtree. Or haven't found.
Someone also mentioned to me, because I told them I was in the Sea of Cortez the week before, that maybe I had some brushes with jellyfish probably small enough that I didn't feel it and then a lot of times those reactions itch up later in many people. Me being one of them. It looked like I walked through Poison Oak, or swam through a bunch of Agua Mala.
Other note: Hang em High is bad ass, as well as seizure and I couldn't get up either of them. Hang em High has a move up top that just thwarted me. I was with a strong mo fo and he struggled. Seemed very techy? Good sh#t. Seizure was made easier by the amount of skin I left thus creating larger holds, at least for a little while!
Get over the itchies and put up more great routes!
Peace
Bob J.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2010 - 02:47pm PT
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FWIW When Gary suggested the Poodle Dog bush as a possible culprit he was closer than he might have known.
The allergen in the California Bluebell (Phalecia Campanularia) foliage is referred to in a paper on the subject I googled up in ScienceDirect as “a novel derivative of farnesyl hydroquinone.”
Then in a Wiki discussion of the same substance I found this:
“Farnesyl hydroquinone derivatives are the principal irritants exuded by the poodle-dog bush, which can cause severe contact dermatitis in humans.”
So here’s one of the little devils out at Future Games area last week.
I’ve read that the sensitivity is acquired by exposure over time, so if you’ve been trekking around Josh for a few years like I have you might not want to roll around in a bed of these. It’s way worse than any PO I’ve ever had, and after four days on Prednisone I’m starting to look like William Shatner.
edit: It's the foliage not the flower which contains the allergen, so I am going to learn to recognise that bugger by the leaf...
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 26, 2010 - 11:19am PT
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Who'd a thunk bluebells would be the culprit? You learn something new everyday.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2010 - 11:46am PT
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A buddy of mine sent me a link to Todd Gordon's site. If you scroll down the list of flowers you'll find a warning about this possibility there. He calls 'em Canterbury Bells.
One week post exposure, day 5 on prednisone, still oozing but up and around. Way worse than poison oak.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 26, 2010 - 12:00pm PT
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Dude, are you sure the breakout didn't occur after watching your Sabres go down in double OT?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2010 - 01:48pm PT
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That, and watching the King's go through two goalies in game five in Vacouver sure didn't help... Talk about getting schooled.
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tinker b
climber
the commonwealth
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Jun 11, 2010 - 12:24am PT
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shit that must be what i got this winter. i have a big scar from the infection on my ankle. i think i got it in the wonderland. my friend who is a p.a. kept insisting it couldn't be from a plant since i have cruised around jtree for so many years. i guess he was wrong.
i caught it in the end of december. it took me three weeks to get rid of it sans drugs. i tried a bunch of natural remedies...
pine sap was the worst idea, tea tree oil worked the best.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 11, 2010 - 12:48am PT
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Yeah I have scarring on my shin and one side of my abdomen from this. It is evil, waaaay worse than poison oak. The alllergen is in the leaves, not the flower so even when it is not flowering it can get you.
From what I have seen and read, it does not grow much in the higher parts of Josh, rather in the 3000 to 3500 ft range like split rocks area where I got it. Where were you in the wonderland?
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Jun 11, 2010 - 01:27am PT
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Got an old story of a famous climber's famous brother having an epic with Datura...
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Jun 11, 2010 - 01:32am PT
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let's see pictures of the rash, yo!
I once got 2nd hand PO from a thermarest that had been in the garage for over a year.
Best supertopo quote of the week:
"and after four days on Prednisone I’m starting to look like William Shatner"
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tinker b
climber
the commonwealth
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Jun 11, 2010 - 11:48am PT
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i walked from hidden valley campground down to indian cove through the wonderland and down rattlesnake canyon. i didn't really take the path of least resistance...
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 11, 2010 - 12:14pm PT
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Sorry I didn't take any pictures. Putting pictures of really gross stuff on the web is not my thing - especially when the grossness is on me...
You can visualize though. It starts as a rash, but by day two it is big weeping blisters you might think were second degree burns.
Yeah if you went down to Indian Cove you went right through the zone. The first time I got in the stuff I went up out of Indian Cove, same general area.
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tinker b
climber
the commonwealth
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Jun 11, 2010 - 05:00pm PT
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oh good i am glad the weeping blisters were supposed to happen, i put pine sap on the rash, and that was when the blisters started to really ooze. i guess it would have happened anyway. then when they got infected i soaked them in warm water with tea tree oil and that cleared it up in a few days, or at least the pain went away.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 11, 2010 - 05:35pm PT
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Tinker you are totally hard core. I wimped out and went to the ER, where the Doc took one look at me and ran a culture for necrotic bacteria. Once that nasty possibility was ruled out they gave me a big shot of something in the ass and a bunch of rhoids and I got better in a week.
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TYLER ENNIS
Boulder climber
REDLANDS
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Sep 22, 2017 - 01:21pm PT
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Hey guys,
I know this thread is pretty old, but I believe I just got the same crap out in Indian Cove last weekend. Its been about 5 days now with no treatment and I gotta say today is pretty rough. I was wondering if I should go into the ER, or if anyone had experience with just dealing with it until it passed? Or if there is anything I can do to get it away from me sooner?
Cheers!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 22, 2017 - 01:33pm PT
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Even if it isn't an emergency the bill from going to an Emergency Room will create one.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Sep 22, 2017 - 01:35pm PT
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Poodledog maybe? Though it doesn't seem like a plant that would thrive at Josh.
You been hiking above Monrovia? In an old burn area? Poodledog comes after a fire, a lot of folks are allergic to it.
Don't think Poodledog bush grows in Joshua Tree.
I got a rash from poodledog bush while mountain biking. Nasty stuff. I didn't know what it was at first. Tried treating with Calamine lotion, and taking benadryl. I then read that treating the rash with cold running water helps. It did seem to work.
Yeah, the poddledog bush proliferated after the Station fire.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Sep 22, 2017 - 02:04pm PT
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I know this thread is pretty old, but I believe I just got the same crap out in Indian Cove last weekend. Its been about 5 days now with no treatment and I gotta say today is pretty rough. I was wondering if I should go into the ER, or if anyone had experience with just dealing with it until it passed? Or if there is anything I can do to get it away from me sooner?
If it is bad, go get some prednisone. Whether you get it from your doc or an urgent care facility doesn't matter. Just don't wait too long or you will end up with scaring from the stuff.
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TYLER ENNIS
Boulder climber
REDLANDS
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Sep 22, 2017 - 02:11pm PT
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Wrong choice of words, I mean my "doctor".
Anyways, any tips would be cool. I would rather avoid going that route, but like I said today seemed to get pretty rough. It started out on my legs and I was thinking it was just maybe some bug bites originally. Now it is on my arms and I am seeing small signs of the blistering. Not to mention my arms and legs feel as if I got full sleeve tattoos that I can't itch.
I saw that Tea Tree Oil helped so I'm gonna swing by and grab some today to see how that goes first.
I guess I'm just more curious if I should expect this to get worse if I didn't go to the docs.
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Friend
climber
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Sep 22, 2017 - 02:45pm PT
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I've had what Kris is talking about several times after exposure in Josh and climbing around San diego. My experience has been 2-3 weeks of sheer agony or an $8 rx for prednisone, available from your family doctor, and it clears up in 2 days.
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