Depresion - Not Something one can beat with will power alone


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Social climber
Jun 3, 2011 - 08:31pm PT

You hit the nail on the head. The days I feel "good" are the ones that at the days end I am completely exhausted from activities out of doors. It isn't always aerobic or fast paced activities like running. Mainly tasks like splitting wood, moving dirt or any other energy depleting activity. Activities that are more aligned with work than pleasure. Leisure activities per se seem less fulfilling than stacking stones.

I don't get the endorphin rush as I do with something like a long run; more of a satisfied mind because I have earned my salt or something like that.


May your kindness seep through all the posts on this forum.

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jun 3, 2011 - 08:34pm PT
Isn't it about the one year anniversary of Juan's death? Still think about him often.

Trad climber
Jun 3, 2011 - 08:37pm PT

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jun 9, 2011 - 05:39pm PT
John Moosie

Beautiful California
Jun 9, 2011 - 05:42pm PT
I'm ready.

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Jun 9, 2011 - 05:49pm PT

Ready for what??

The evil one
Papillon Rendre

Social climber
Jun 13, 2011 - 11:05pm PT
My son's close friend hung himself last Friday.

Tyler was the happiest young man and he never showed any signs of depression or sadness. The entire sophomore class loved him.

He was an athlete, scholar and barely 16.

I googled teen suicide and was shocked to learn the percentage of teens who attempt suicide and the percentage who succeed.

Please keep your children safe.


hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.
Jun 13, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
Life is stranger than fiction. Really is...
John Moosie

Beautiful California
Jun 13, 2011 - 11:23pm PT
I'm sorry about your sons friend. I hid my problems with depression all through High school. I was seen as a happy kid. Now.. Most days I'm surprised I'm still alive.

Trad climber
Jun 13, 2011 - 11:33pm PT
Keep on keeping on John Moosie.

Papillon, a similar thing happened with a girl in my daughter's class this year. Fight with boyfriend led to hanging herself in boyfriend's house. Two years ago a girl hanged herself near my classroom at lunch. She's alive, but a vegetable. A science teacher and custodian were able to cut her down in time to save her life. Kids were texting and Facebooking mean things about her before the incident.

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Jun 14, 2011 - 12:25am PT
what I'd like to know If a person is put on an SSRI and they go totally manic are they bipolar?
John Moosie

Beautiful California
Jun 14, 2011 - 12:55am PT
what I'd like to know If a person is put on an SSRI and they go totally manic are they bipolar?

WARNING.. what you are about to read is opinion. I am not a doctor. ( I know you know that, but some people freak out.. eek!!! )

There are studies that say SSRIs can cause mania.. Here is a page with a bunch of studies. I don't know how legit they are.

Scroll down a ways and look at the headings.

Here is just one of them..

By the way.. which SSRI? I have had SSRI induced mania.


Maybe one of the docs will chime in.

Social climber
Jun 14, 2011 - 12:59am PT
A long time ago I was prescribed Zoloft and left unsupervised and in retrospect I believe I was manic for a few months. I have never been diagnosed as bipolar just depressed. Recently I decided to stop taking psych meds altogether, replacing them with daily qigong practise, I've never felt better (touch wood).

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
I forget what I was searching for, but I came across this.

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Nov 16, 2012 - 12:05am PT
On April 1, 2010, Jeff Batten posted:

For the last month I have been trying to beat my depression with will power alone. This is not working, I cannot sleep, I grow more fatigued each day and start thinking dark thoughs.

I have family mememeber telling me to just snap out of it. I wish it was that easy.

Its like getting up a climb without the necessary strenght to do the moves.

I had to call in sick to work as I sleept 1 hour.

Whats the next step I need to take. New Doctor. Hospital.

I am starting to give up hope.

A little compassion and suggestions would be very nice.


On May 25, 2010 he was gone.

Public records show that our friend Jeff Batten has left us, on May 25th, 2010

He posted as Juan de fuca, prowsolo, the general, rockstar, lostarrow and other alias.

And he was the original internet troll on the subject of climbing, dating far back into the usenet board Rec.climbing, before the web had such communications.

For a long time, Jeff's posts were merely trolls, sometime appreciated, sometimes resented. But as time went on, Jeff opening up and shared more and more of himself with the online community. His scientific interests, his struggles with physical pain and depression, and his explorations into spirituality. He was our taco seismograph.

I choose to believe that Jeff is relieved from his struggles now, after facing them and exploring many ways of inner peace. I offer condolences for those who knew and will miss him. We will.

Perhaps we can post some of his classic trolls, cartoons featuring Jeff by Ouch (another fallen brother) and some of his other sharings.

Fly high Jeff, on your greatest adventure since soloing the Prow.



Trad climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 04:10am PT
My climbing partner killed himself. He was clinically depressed and would not take prescribed meds. He was 45.

Trad climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 01:56pm PT
I have suffered a few periods in my life where I could not sleep for months on end. It just hammers a person and makes living day to day very difficult.
I was lucky enough to know the real cause of this state. It was always work related, working too hard, working in the wrong situation, work stress etc.
I am fortunate that I was able to go to part time work(60%) in blocks so I have 12 days off at a time. The time off means I can spend lots of time in the outdoors, do a lot more climbing, and take some good holidays. This has the effect of cleaning my brain so I am enthusiastic and very productive when I get back to work. My productivity per hour has increased so my employers are actually getting a good deal.
People are reluctant to talk about their problems because we don't want to be seen as weak.
If you can identify the underlying cause of the issues then there is the possibility of fixing things.

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Nov 16, 2012 - 02:14pm PT
I suffered what felt like a bout of depression in the 90's when 'we' invaded Kuait. Listening to NPR describe bombs falling while my children ran naked thru the poppies in the meadow. This lasted several months and resulted in alienating myself from my family and friends. I found relief one day in about ten min. when I came across the mental health chapter in 'The Better Homes and gardens guide to family health'. I know that my problem is not the same as anyone else necessarily. but to gain that insight saved me from who knows what. Oh yeah. then I found climbing!

Trad climber
Yosemite, ca
Nov 16, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
So what was your insight Cove?
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