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alexander-solzhenitsyn

climber
Bend OR
Apr 3, 2010 - 12:24pm PT
they say that combined with reggae music, love, community, sunsets, barbecues, surf, and bonfire celebrations up by the parking lot

that it tends to elevate the spirits
you might try just the non smoking parts, see if that works

"music is a safe high" quote lifestyle spokesperson, Jimi Hendrix
LEB

climber
PA
Apr 3, 2010 - 02:07pm PT
Actually, believe it or not, climbing IS therapeutic for depression based on the fact that often it involves direct sunlight (not much shade up there on some of those rock walls) and there is rigorous physical exertion. Both of these elements are known to increase serotonin at the synapses - albeit the effect is relatively short lived.

It explains why some people are absolutely vehement about insisting they going out climbing and then maintaining they feel better for it. There is good scientific reason for such claims.

BTW Locker, I had to have a professional business portrait taken today by the photographic studio which has been retained by the organization wherein I am newly employed. So, I thought of you, this morning when I was there. I see where there IS great potential for skill and creativity on the part photographer. I never realized that before. They don't just snap photos - they actually create compositions. No wonder you are so creative with all this photoshopping stuff you do. I am amazed at what you all can do. Based on what was hanging in his studio, this guy has a lot on the ball. Hopefully he will airbrush away few wrinkles as promised. I bet you were (are) good, Locker
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Apr 4, 2010 - 01:21am PT
Actually, I think Alex is onto something with the reggae music. Bob Marley's music has done wonderful things for my soul. Sound and especially music can have profound effects on the mind. Music can provide a gateway into the subconscious where most of our problems originate. We get all this stuff in our formative years that creates the foundation for future life exigencies. As adults, often we can see clearly perceive the conflict but are unable to change. Access to the subconscious can be a puzzling adventure and there are many experts in various psychological fields that would tell you not to go there or pay an expert to guide you. Maybe. You guys are climbers and you know about fear and fear is the only thing getting in your way. But fear can be nonetheless a dangerous thing in itself.

A couple years ago I came across this technology called Hemi-Sync. With sound, the two hemispheres of the brain are brought into synchronization. This is done by playing two tones of slightly different frequencies through headphones into different ears. The brain will synchronize the two tones and hear one ,and in the process profoundly change the energy flow characteristics of the brain.

Google it sometime.
locker

Social climber
Desert
Apr 4, 2010 - 01:47am PT

Thread Drift:

"No wonder you are so creative with all this photoshopping stuff you do"...

I don't PHOTOSHOP...

That term is very loosly used...

I use PAINT, the weak ass program that's loaded in every PC...




and yeah...

I was pretty "GUD" with the CONVENTIONAL photography...

I KNEW my sh!t for sure...

WASN'T a HACK that did FORMULA crap...

But I no longer SHOOT for a BUCK and no longer have any real gear...

Just a "Point and shoot" digital heap I picked up at "the Wal Mart"...

Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Apr 4, 2010 - 01:50am PT
What made you give it up, Locker? Were you not special enough?
locker

Social climber
Desert
Apr 4, 2010 - 02:01am PT
Wayno...

Boils down to...

I burned myself OUT...


EDITED:

Continued "Thread Drift"...



Wayno...

at any given moment, should I choose to re-enter the field, I certainly could...

Also, I am degreed and certified for life, to Teach at the College level in both California and Arizona...

and honestly, sometimes it's tempting...



Was I not "Special" enough???...

People liked my work and paid for it...

I suppose that made it "Special" to them...

;-)

Rokjox

Trad climber
Boys I'dunno
Apr 4, 2010 - 09:31am PT
Lois, please do not suck up to locker. It conflates his ego beyond all reality. The vast majority of his efforts are complete crap, such as pasting the face of a Blessed Saint onto the body of his most vulgar stock schlock, which was not even his find, much less than his work.

Any cowardly POS can vulgarize the beliefs and hopes of millions of honest people. Destruction is easy and often the rationale is "art".


Yet actual, true artists ennoble the mind and bring new insight to humanity. Lockers crap does neither. It is at best sophomoric and juvenile. The reason Locker now makes his fame sniffing glue is that the public refused to support his photography. Otherwise we are drawn to the conclusion that he gave up a raving successful career in photography to pursue his interest in stinking worn out, sweat filled shoes. This seems quite unlikely. I imagine his photography was as purile as his crude efforts here. Anybody can pay to acquire a degree in almost anything, (especially "Art"), the most vapid and untalented hacks can pass a class in America by merely showing up. Particularly in "art" there are few standards of actual ability.




Locker justified his assassination of Mother Theresa by saying that because she was human, she was fodder for his filth. He is wrong. Mother Theresa is a Saint, and such a greater figure than him as to read new meaning into humanity. Were Mother Teresa the measure of humanity, Locker couldn't make the grade as a turd. Mother Teresa was and remains one of the most honored women of modern times, and she earned her status by working all her life as a defender of orphans and the untouchable, unimaginably poor.






Pull that vulgar image from the files of Supertopo. There is no reason under Gods sun why such a icon should be vulgarized by such a POC. 100,000,000 Catholics are surely diminished by allowing his public display of the most extreme disrespect of a Saint.

Public decency is not something that Supertopo should disparage. That image is so far over the line, that even the least respectable people should demand its banishment. I intend to do so. I hope others will come to the aid of the issue.
Flaccid

Gym climber
U.S. of fukkin' A
Apr 4, 2010 - 09:33am PT
INSERT WOLF GUY F*#KING TAILPIPE PIC ASAP
Rokjox

Trad climber
Boys I'dunno
Apr 4, 2010 - 09:35am PT
You truly are Flaccid.
mountain dog

Trad climber
over the hills and far away
Apr 4, 2010 - 09:41am PT
Flaccid=Poser.
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Apr 4, 2010 - 09:45am PT
Rokjox,

You just don't have the Animal House level of humor that some of us have, cut us some slack. I'm waiting for the Pope behind the tailpipe myself, seems he might have earned that honor.



The evil one
Rokjox

Trad climber
Boys I'dunno
Apr 4, 2010 - 11:07am PT
Perhaps he may, perhaps not. I have read that a subordinate of his claims that the pope was not apprised of the problem, and that the subordinate is to blame for the lack of punishment.

Either way Mother Teresa is NOT at fault.



And it doesn't surprise me that a man who has made such as issue of his Jewish faith here on this site should not have sympathies with a Catholic issue. Moreever I refuse to believe that this is just a matter of "humor".



I will give this issue a few hours to work its way out, but I have a considerable amount of capacity to bring this sort of a issue to a conclusion. If Locker sees fit to refuse to remove that image from Supertopo, I will make it my duty to see to it that he does. As a number of people may have noticed, I neither bluff, nor lack imagination on how to proceed on such a campaign.

I find him reprehensible as a rule, but my tolerance is drawn taut for his most disgraceful and shameful excesses.

If necessary I will start a new thread. Desecration of the reputations of the dead and sainted should not be viewed as a claim to fame and "art". Supertopo should not be a venue for desecration and the scorn of millions of peoples religion and faith.

Do you think that HIS kind of "art" belongs here? Is Supertopo a venue for hatred and vile vulgarity?

Is THAT how you want the world community to think of us?

Flaccid

Gym climber
U.S. of fukkin' A
Apr 4, 2010 - 11:14am PT
^^^^ FAG

photo not found
Missing photo ID#137512
Rokjox

Trad climber
Boys I'dunno
Apr 4, 2010 - 11:52am PT
And good Easter morning to you too, you cowardly ass bite.

Would you care to identify yourself with a picture and identity so we might know just what kind of a discerning genus we have in you?

Like I did when I posted that photo of myself from ever so long ago?

We have already seen your quality of posts, and frankly, they ain't much, (to be kind). Perhaps your identity would out you as the brilliant wit you think yourself to be? (But I doubt it.)
Blinky

Trad climber
North Carolina
Apr 4, 2010 - 12:13pm PT
LA, I was diagnosed bi-polar at a young age, I'm 50 now and take no drugs or do anything special to deal with it... I just don't go into those deep long swings anymore, my moods have leveled out naturally.

BUT, early on Prozac was just what I needed. Took it for four months. The key is to break the long period and few people can do that through strength of will alone. Once you're back to being above the line you can rejigger your lifestyle to better keep the deep swings away.

You need to find out why you're depressed. Sure, it's chemical but (and this will sound obvious) people don't get depressed when they are healthy and happy. People get depressed when some kind of stressor makes them susceptible. When you lose your ability to compensate because you are heavily stressed, you're more likely to succumb to an illness.

The single best therapy for me is exercise... hard exercise, the kind that hurts. It's a b!tch to get going but after experiencing the results a few times I learned to just do it no matter how bad I felt.
I'm lousy at pure exercise though, I need to go fast or chase a ball or climb something. The best thing I ever did for myself was quit the office gigs and get into hard outdoor work... it doesn't hurt that climbing trees everyday makes it easy to feel good... and surprisingly, I don't miss the money at all. Life is good and spending less makes me feel better about my place in the world.

...and I never believed I would say anything like that, I was pretty good at making money.

Rokjox

Trad climber
Boys I'dunno
Apr 4, 2010 - 12:53pm PT
Juan:

Perhaps the most effective way to battle depression is to find something; an issue, a thing or a person that you really care about, and make that issue yours. Find something you want to see happen, make or do, and begin to make it happen. Once you have picked out your project, you make a commitment to see it through. If you have picked out something you care enough about, you will find the depression is far more bearable.

I was recently struck by Martin Luther Kings' "I have seen the promised land" speech. (I hope I have the reference right). In it he says he doesn't believe that he would live to see the end of his dream, but that he did no longer care. He knew the day he had worked for was coming, and that knowlege had given him a tremendous freedom from despair over his personal circumstances. Seeing him give those lines so much energy, I have to believe him.


Find something that you are passionate about, something you want, something you can do, and make a commitment to see it through. I think that is the solution to incurable depression. If MLK didn't have reason to be depressed, I cannot imagine who does. Yet, in the end, he was delivered from his personal demons, by his desire.






I read this somewhere;

On one day of the year, every year, he sent roses to his wife as an offering of his love. A few days before he died, he sent her the bouquet, with one important difference. In the past, the flowers were always real and fragile, with the temporary life of all cut flowers. The last bouquet he sent was made of silk. He clearly knew that they were going to have to last a long time.
Flaccid

Gym climber
U.S. of fukkin' A
Apr 4, 2010 - 01:06pm PT
Yet, in the end, he was delivered from his personal demons, by his desire.

I THOUGHT HE WAS SHOT?
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
Will know soon
Apr 4, 2010 - 06:21pm PT
Blinky, agree with all you say. lynnie
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Peenemunde
Apr 5, 2010 - 01:26pm PT
So I survived the weekend. Had a terrible reaction to cymbalta and nearly checked into the Hospital. Feel better today. One day at a time is what I keep telling myself. Praying for deliverance. I have lost 25lbs in the last 6 weeks after I stopped Zyprexa. I should really notice this when I get back to Stoney Point in the next few days.

I miss the Zyprexa, it stopped my storming mind. But I am going to have to learn to live without it and find other ways to quiet my mind.

Thanks again for all the wonderful info that has been posted.

Jeff "Mindstorm" De Fuca
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Apr 5, 2010 - 02:04pm PT
Jeff, check out the Hemi-Sync. For the price of a CD, you might find some peace of mind.
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