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waltereo

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 22, 2010 - 11:36pm PT
Hi,

Why the rubber on the climbing shoe is black ?
Companies should invent add white colorant so the shoes wont't
burn our feet on summer !

reddirt

climber
Mar 22, 2010 - 11:46pm PT
why is tire rubber black

go climb w/ boatshoes?
waltereo

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 22, 2010 - 11:48pm PT
seriously, why they cannot make the rubber white ?
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Mar 22, 2010 - 11:54pm PT
Why tires are black. Carbon black. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_black
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Mar 22, 2010 - 11:58pm PT
I half-hearted tried to search for an older model (late 90's) climbing shoe made by Boreal or Scarpa called the Endo (Indo)--it was a black slipper with white climbing rubber for indoor gym use.

It did not stay on the market long...


Pictures anybody from old ads or other on these "black sheep" shoes?
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Mar 23, 2010 - 12:23am PT
simple, white rubber made for climbng shoes is prone to oxidation. . .
klk

Trad climber
cali
Mar 23, 2010 - 12:34am PT
They used to make them--

Paragots, a French shoe (as in Robert Paragot). They looked a bit like RRs, but were a soft shoe, like an EB, but with a wider last. I bought a pair off of a French climber in C4 in 81.

Great shoe, for the period, much better than my EBs.

They didn't have oxidation problems.
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Mar 23, 2010 - 12:59am PT
“why is tire rubber black”

Because white skid marks would just create too many lanes in a devolving world??? Sorry… it must be me ale-ment speaking… :)

Remember those old 5.10 shoes (Micros????) with a half-sole of black sticky rubber, and rands and a heel of slippery green rubber? I think Coz sold me a pair of ‘em in the C4 parking lot… No wonder he wanted to sell them. Hey, they worked well for bouldering at the time!
scuffy b

climber
Where only the cracks are dry
Mar 23, 2010 - 11:33am PT
That Boreal shoe of the late 90s was called the Indo Azul.
I had a pair. They wouldn't leave marks. That was their best
point. It was almost like going back to the bad old days as
far as performance was concerned.
The only white rubber I thought was reasonably sticky was the outer layer
of the toe rand on Converse All-Stars.
That stuff wouldn't meet modern standards, though.
Prod

Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
Mar 23, 2010 - 12:13pm PT
While on some long RR route my wife asked me the same thing as our feet were baling in the sun.

I think there is a thread about that here.

Prod.
EdBannister

Mountain climber
CA
Mar 23, 2010 - 12:14pm PT
Change the color of the compound,
and change the properties of the compound.

How sticky the rubber is, is such a wavy line,
Kamet in Spain had the stickiest rubber in the worls for a while,
it was because they carefully managed the cooling rate of the rubber.
Charles Cole of 5.10, one of the smartest people in the climbing business,
developed an ultra long molecule that fostered Stealth, then I wont write the details, but by pure chance, he discovered C4.

so to suggest sombody add enough of something else in the mix to make the things white, is to ask for them to be less sticky.

a good point is brought up though, temerature does affect deflection of shoe rubber.
if you need to stand on dimes, keep your shoes in the shade till you start the climb, and if you are smearing and hoping for random interlock on large crystals, put the soles in a sun facing position before you start.
waltereo

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2010 - 12:20pm PT
I'll paint my shoe's rand in white since that is the part that is exposed to the sun !
Nate D

climber
San Francisco
Mar 24, 2010 - 02:17pm PT
My old black Aces burned my feet so bad in the sun. I think I once put white climbing tape all over the top to try and deflect some heat.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 24, 2010 - 02:54pm PT
The worst shoe idea ever was that old La Sportiva Tao. The entire shoe was jet black. Death in the sun. What were they thinking? I took a pair of those up to Tahquitz one day and ended up doing Dave's Deviation barefoot. It was that or burned feet or not climbing (which of course was not an option.)

Charles Cole (5.10) made a nice edging shoe with green rands. This must have been around 1988...

Here they are on an ascent of Charle's Josh classic Sexy Sadie.


Air voyager on 1/4" bolt, check. Red Balaklava for neck warmth, check. Grammicci lightning bolt pants, priceless...

Binks

Social climber
Mar 24, 2010 - 03:21pm PT
Obviously you're not an entrepreneur waltero. Otherwise, you'd have kept your mouth shut and developed a business to sell these shoes (or designed them and sold them to an existing company).
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Mar 24, 2010 - 04:35pm PT
Yup, those are the shoes, Kris. I miss my lightning bolt shorts too! In high school, the other kids thought that they were boxer shorts and one day during lunchtime, one guy tried to “pants” me. Didn’t work because they ain’t boxers!
climbingcoastie

Ice climber
Sacramento, CA
Jun 6, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
I seen a pair of Paragot white rubber shoes at a thrift store. Looks like they've never been used. Are they worth anything to anyone?
F10

Trad climber
Bishop
Jun 6, 2016 - 08:38pm PT
I remember climbing on GPA in the Valley wearing EB's and having my toes cooking, thinking why don't they make climbing shoes with some white rubber over the toes ??
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Jun 6, 2016 - 08:39pm PT
I always preferred blacck rubber.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jun 6, 2016 - 09:48pm PT
YEAAAH! Sactown in the Houuuse!

climbingcoastie, what size were they??


KSolem, That's one great shot Charlie Crist got of you.
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