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Bowser
Trad climber
Red River NM
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Mar 17, 2010 - 11:26pm PT
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My wife and I schroomed hard at the Pimps and Hoes party at Taos Ski Valley back in 2003 or so. We just stood there amongst all the partiers tripping on the music, costumes, pictures on the walls.... There were two identical pictures on opposite corners of the room of a man in a derby hat holding a gun. Anywhere I was in the room the guy was pointing his gun at me......
Man, those things taste awefull!
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jstan
climber
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Mar 17, 2010 - 11:36pm PT
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I have never used any enhancers because I find the world wonderfully interesting as it is. Every moment is an adventure. I want to be there to see it.
In the 60's and 70's to my knowledge none of my climbing friends were into it either. Definitely not seriously. One climber who was just really enjoyable to be around had tried acid for a time but had quit cold. He said the stuff is bad. He said using it started to do damage.
I have not followed this field over the years. But it increasingly appears he may have been right.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Mar 17, 2010 - 11:37pm PT
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Bluering were you tripping when you wrote this?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 17, 2010 - 11:42pm PT
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Was given mushrooms before a ski marathon...i thought they were rancid dried pineapples and devoured them trying to get a quick snack before the race....had a 101 body temp....part way thru the race i began laughing uncontrolably and couldn't continue....I stopped next to this guy named Dennis Miller whom i was suddenly on the same wavelength with....the next day i was healed and went bouldering and was trying to make the last move to the top of a moderate problem and every time i'd start to step up , a raven would dive bomb me....the bird finally landed nearby and watched me as i quickly escaped...never again.....! rj
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Mar 17, 2010 - 11:52pm PT
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Back in '78 or so, my brother and I dropped some purple microdot. We had started playing backgammon that year pretty seriously with some other loser friends. I was checking out backgammon books from the city library that had not been checked out since the '30s. We were into our backgammon.
We were playing as the acid took effect. One of us rolled the dice, the game being close to ending. We looked at the roll.
"Hey, if I play this move, I win. If I play this move, the game changes against me."
And so the game went the other way, all the men scurried around to the other side. One of us was about to win and rolled. We looked at the dice.
"Hey, if I play this move, I win. If I play this move, the game changes against me."
And so the game went the other way, all the men scurried around to the other side. One of us was about to win and rolled. We looked at the dice.
So, you all know where this is going? We played one game all night, the men flowing back and forth, back and forth. And we had total control.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 18, 2010 - 12:06am PT
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Effin eh, Pate, that is shweet. Only 7.5K? I work with a gal whose father is good buds with S. Clay Wilson. She has several signed originals of "Checkered Demon" and "Captain Pissgums". She has no clue of their value or why.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
mun jae upso yo
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Mar 18, 2010 - 12:08am PT
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Pffft.
We mostly tripped in the open sea.....When you know you're 6000 miles from shore.
You're sailin' around. A slight distraction? Sure.....Count me in.
I do like the shrooms better, though.
Just another flava.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 18, 2010 - 12:16am PT
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Shrooms eh? Anyone ever try the fabled Amanita Muscaria? I found and did them in Tuolumne Meadows once. Talk about a mystical journey... Whew. The next day I went looking for more and found a bunch, but somehow I never got the courage to do them again. Nothing like LSD or psylocybin.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Mar 18, 2010 - 12:39am PT
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"I haven't done TONS of acid thank God, just enough to come close to seeing God on several occasions."
More like you came close to seeing Satan.
God/Jesus, does not use mind altering substances to bring you closer to Him.
You are deceiving yourself and others Bluey, you are fortunate to have not had a bad result(as in really bad result).
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Mar 18, 2010 - 12:39am PT
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I dosed in 8th grade and had a way~too~heavy trip to th B side of Combat Rock.
Swore I'd never do it again.
Way to redeem yourself Bluerring!
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arsenalcrater
Trad climber
Vista, CA
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Mar 18, 2010 - 12:59am PT
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I will never touch the sh#t again, but I had a blast while I could hang. The last time I took acid, I took four blotters of somewhat decent sh#t, but I crashed hard, and my girlfriend of the day was ready to call the paramedics; I slept for almost 48 hours straight afterwards. Anyways...
...the first time was in 1984 while living in San Francisco. We were going to go see Metallica at the Mabuahy Gardens (anyone remember the Mab, Rock on Broadway, The Stone? Those were the days!). Anyways, we had the inside that "The Four Horsemen" were Metallica, and there was no way we were going to miss the show. The only question was, what to do.
One of the gang got a hold of some acid. Anyways, it was four-way window pane, and I took four (sixteen total, but you know...) hits as my first trip. Well, sixteen hits of some pretty clean sh#t along with intense underground thrash metal led to a very powerful experience. It would be extremely intense to be able to pass along this trip on to someone else, and I wish I could have bottled it.
I imagine many of you very fine folks had great experiences during your hippie regime and your summer of love. Imagine that you were a teenager during the trash metal revolution of the 80's living in San Francisco and experiencing the Bay Area Trash revolution of the time while on tripping on LSD. It was not as well know or widespread, but it was insane nontheless.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Mar 18, 2010 - 01:14am PT
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i used to deal shrooms for a while, eat em every day.
acid and shrooms and the electric guitar, maybe a keg of beer,
got chased by the cops on acid, which is the worst trip in the world.
got away by running like hell, thank you cross country training.
Mr Garnel, a bald hi school chem teacher, his face started melting one time.
bad sh#t to get attacked by a mtn lion while your on acid,
hey ring, i torched my shoulder last weekend, so could not climb.
think it is coming back for the shindig, almost canceled out,
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Mar 18, 2010 - 01:20am PT
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I knew plenty of climbers who took psychedelics back in the '60's and 70's, including peyote, which no one has yet mentioned. In fact many of these climbers and myself as well, did our experiments before psychedelics were made illegal in 1966.
Some got interested in spiritual disciplines as a result, and some of us discovered that intense meditation can produce the same colorful perceptions with out the bad trips. God is not LSD or serotonin, but those chemicals and others, do give one a glimpse into something so intense and beautiful, they have the potential to shake one's world view forever and provide the impetus to work on a part of our mind that our materialist society knows almost nothing about. Working on the unconscious is called purifying the soul in older traditions and done in order to make space for the truly spiritual.
Tripping for the fun of it, will show you the nature of your unconscious which is not always fun, but not lead to any lasting positive changes.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Mar 18, 2010 - 01:22am PT
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Rokjoc- "777 try reading the research on the subject."
When i was at San Jose State U.(92-95)I did a paper for my undergrad degree in Occupational Therapy on LSD and used Post-Doctorate work by several noted Prof's from SFSU and Berkley. Also by Dr. David Smith(founder of the HA Free Clinic). All I can say is that i was fully submersed in their work and findings, along with T. Leary et al.
I was a part of that decade(60's)having graduated from highschool in 1968 in So. California.
Rokjok- "What makes YOU think you know how God does His work?
I was assuming bluering worships the same God that I came to know as an 8 yr. old(R. Catholic)! His name is JESUS!!
You can read about Him in the Holy Bible!
I don't consider myself arrogant, just acquainted with the subject of God the Holy Spirit through reading about Him as He commands us to do.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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Mar 18, 2010 - 01:23am PT
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it the exteriorization you are after.
but not too much! controled exteriorization, which leads to enlightenment.
they had an Altered States of Conciousness class at UC Davis back in 73.
unfortunately, there was no Lab with that class.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 18, 2010 - 01:31am PT
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Q What did the Deadhead say when the acid stopped working?
A Man, that music is bad.
Never tried the stuff myself, though I've had some interesting effects from anaesthetics and painkillers when in hospital.
Somewhere I read that many of the effects from LSD are visual in nature. They (not sure who "they" is) gave some test subjects LSD and a placebo, and then into isolation chambers. Presumably with some sort of hidden observation, in case something went wrong. Those who'd received LSD, in utter darkness and stillness, experienced relatively little. Apart presumably from the brain rewiring part - the drug must still do that part.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 18, 2010 - 02:18am PT
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I wasn't criticizing, merely teasing a bit by repeating an old joke. And commenting (briefly) about the effects of LSD. Assuming that use of LSD is a prerequisite to 'understanding' it, I wouldn't (and didn't) claim to understand it. But that doesn't seem a reason not to add a bit to the discussion.
Please check http://supertopo.com/climbers-forum/585940/Albert_Hofmann_RIP
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 18, 2010 - 02:40am PT
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Colonel Doug was a regular at the the restaurant I work at for years. He died recently after a long and interesting life. He was an Officer in WWII, Korea and in the states during Nam. He was a man of honor and character that one would never forget. He told me the story one night of how he took part in early army LSD experiments. What I remember is that Doug said it sure was strange and got through it o.k. but a few others in the program didn't fare as well.
I guess some folks just aren't wrapped tight enough to deal with what the drug can do to you. Personally, I have seen more people "lose it" on other drugs more than I have seen on acid. Shrooms is probably number one in my experience. The scariest trip I have had was on shrooms. I was tripping too heavy and heard a gram of Niacin would bring you down. I didn't hear about the flushing from niacin. It scared the crap out of me. Young fool I was.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Mar 18, 2010 - 03:49am PT
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Rokjox- "Or does God REALLY consult you in how He does His work?"
Yes He "REALLY does consult not only me, but anyone who desires to know Him. How, YOU may ask? Through His Holy Word, the Bible.
BTW, my origional post was to bluey, in regards to his proclaiming to be a Christian, and God does ask us Christians to rebuke or exhort our fellow believers in Christ. So I felt compelled to do so.
Rokjox- "Meant to be studied and used."
Studied and used by MD.'s(such as morphine)KNOTT ABUSED!!
I go by the Word of God. And I assumed bluey did also.
What you go by is your choice Rok!
BTW, there are poison mushrooms out there(always sad to here about poor migrant workers who come up to the US to make a better life for their family's and find a bunch of mushrooms up in Northern Cali or somewhere and cook up a bunch and die). Why? I don't know why! We live in a fallen world, and there is another very powerful spirtual charecter that you mentioned that hates the human race. He is the Destroyer and does this through desception, makes bad look good.
One thing I am certain of is that Satan deceives with drugs by getting people to think that this is as good as it gets. Or that they are experiencing some higher spiritual plane/heaven on earth. It is a lie.
But this is what the Judeo/Christian Bible say's, and you evidently go by some other source/belief system.
And have already made up your mind...so be it. I was just responding to bluey anyway.
Edit: Like I said, I was just responding to bluey's opening statement about getting closer to God/Jesus(you do believe Jesus is God, right bluey??) through acid...Really bluey!!
BTW, acid was fifty(50)times stronger back in the 60's compared to today, according to all the studies that were being conducted by the aforementioned practitioners(up-thread). The 60's were an experience alright, even if you went to a concert comparatively sober. Guy's and gals runinig around barking like dogs etc. I was there...were you???
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