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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2016 - 12:29pm PT
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Stewart is that in lake forest Illinois? Chugach that looks great.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Dec 12, 2016 - 01:17pm PT
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^^^
Given the background, it appears to be somewhere in CA. Don't see much topography like that in Illinois.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 12, 2016 - 01:55pm PT
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It's the ghetto in the meadow.
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Dec 12, 2016 - 01:58pm PT
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Here in Colorado we have had both intentional ice farming and incidental ice farming. The upper portions of the Uncompagre River Gorge started out as incidental ice farming in the early 1970's due to leaky diversion pipes. That is what initiated the original idea to intentionally farm ice in Ouray farther down the canyon. The owner of the water rights is indeed a generous man to lease those rights to the park during the winter. that being said, he really didn't use those water rights in the winter anyway, but his support of the ice park has resulted in much beneficial business activity for the residents of Ouray and was a very community-minded thing to do. Similar leaky irrigation conduits has added to the ice in Boulder Canyon and in parts of Clear Creek Canyon just west of Golden. Unfortunately, water infrastructure improvements have diminished some of the ice that typically formed in these places in the past. I have also observed clandestine farming wherein parties unknown used hoses to shift natural water flow right or left a few meters to make a cool climb into an awesome climb. I don't know who they are, but they win my vote, as no harm whatsoever has been done to anything.
Insofar as issues with potential negative impact, usurpation of water rights and trespass on either private property or on public property wherein some governmental entity is concerned with liability issues is pretty much it. As has been stated above, all that ice returns to the drainage basin from whence it came, just later in the season, so no real negative impact. I agree with various posters who observe that climbing trails to popular rock outcrops leave a much longer lasting legacy on the land than does ice farming.
From a purely personal perspective, I love farmed ice and would like to see more of it. This is the kind of farm support bill I would really like to see pass congress - lord knows Iowa and Kansas could use more ice climbs.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Dec 12, 2016 - 02:59pm PT
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Stewart's photo is taken at Donner Summit. Unfortunately no more farming there :(
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