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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Sep 26, 2017 - 10:18am PT
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Great rant. I haven't stayed there since 1990.
It always seems to me the USDA FS & NPS would do good to send their rangers to Disney parks training on customer service.
They sometimes seem to have a reverse strategy of driving people away.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Sep 26, 2017 - 01:29pm PT
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All this, and not a single snap of life way back when...
Photo by Glen Denny
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 26, 2017 - 02:35pm PT
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Seems like just a year ago...
...and it was.
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Onewhowalksonrocks
Mountain climber
Ventura
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Sep 26, 2017 - 09:31pm PT
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Yea, Camp four sucks. Haven't camped there for 20 years. However, when I was younger it worked, I figure our younger climbing friends like it. Yes there could be improvements. And I hope there could be some.
I now go off season and stay at the Yosemite lodge. Only $160 a night.
The older I am. The more I can $$
What should happen is put solar panels over the parking area. Plant more trees. Have bathrooms with showers to serve 10 sites.
Why don't we stop bitching and make it happen.
css
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hamie
Social climber
Thekoots
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Sep 26, 2017 - 10:39pm PT
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No squalor.
No ugly toilets.
No noise.
No tourons.
No cars.
No camping fees.
No rules.
No time limit.
No SAR site.
No rangers.
Just the bears, the Bird and me. Good times!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 27, 2017 - 02:50pm PT
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I thank my visits to Camp 4 in the 70's for confirming my sainted mum's
admonitions to maintain a high standard of personal hygiene. In Camp 4
that was a sliding or relative scale, the upper limits of which were very
low on me mum's scale, mind you.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 27, 2017 - 03:11pm PT
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Fall of the year was (probably still is) the best time to stay in C4, no question.
No squalor.
No ugly toilets.
No noise.
No tourons.
No cars.
No camping fees.
No rules.
No time limit.
No SAR site.
No rangers.
East Head and West Head had some heat
And you could shower across the street.
You could buy fuel for your stove or lamp--
O! it was so easy living in camp.
Roper paints a different picture, however, in his chapter in Camp 4 in '61-'64 titled "The Salamanders."
"The tourists, appalled by our wretched sites--strewn with equipment, down-spouting sleeping bags, and makeshift shelters--tried not to stare at us but usually failed.
Our bodies stunk and we wore our ragged clothing like a badge of honor. We enjoyed boisterous parties that lasted till midnight, and our language rang with obscenities."
Reilly's mum would have lost it, I'm sure.
My own mom asked who these degenerates were when we stayed in C4 in '62 as tourists. My dad told her they were just college students!
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yosemite 5.9
climber
santa cruz
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Sep 27, 2017 - 06:22pm PT
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I camped at Camp 4 last in 2016. The lady ranger at the kiosk was an absolute sweetheart. Even when she told me I was out of bounds by pitching my tent on the far side of the creek bed. The main problem is the idiots that want to stay up late drinking and dropping the F bomb repeatedly. Some of us want to get up early to experience the park. It is not the Park Service. It is not the bathrooms. Do you really need a fancy bathroom if you are an outdoors person? So much whining. Unbelievable.
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