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Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Jan 3, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
A rewarding attitude is "moderation in all things". Especially sobriety and chastity.
illusiondweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 05:45am PT
Illusion, you already got a couple friendly warnings.
unwarranted

The mods of this site take this thread very seriously.
So do I. I'm very aware of this, and am not threatened in any way.

Regardless of who threw the first punch, here is a direct line from your beliefs: Turn the other cheek.

Amen, I'm doing just that...strike away.

By continuing this you are simply lowering yourself to a level that you supposedly despise.
Not True


This is on subject and totally relevant:

http://www.reformu.com...the fastest growing, faith-based addictions program in the world with an 88% success rate at the Men's and Women's homes in Rockford Illinois. Glory to God!
Pillowattack

Boulder climber
DC
Jan 4, 2013 - 06:28am PT
One thing I like about AA, is the whole higher power of your understanding. Alcoholics are notoriously stubborn, and I am no exception. I had to figure out my own understanding through searching in my own way.

Noone likes to be preached to, it is literally the least effective way of communicating because people just stop listening. People respond to others living a good and happy life and get turned off by pontification.

If you are living that good life illusion be happy with that. Now and try to spread that to the people in your own life not convert people to your way of thinking over the internet.

illusiondweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 06:37am PT
I can do nothing...the program is changing lives by saving lives, and restoring families, to name a few. Again, my life is far from "good."

Incorrect. The third step in AA is:

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood him."
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 4, 2013 - 06:44am PT
Stop arguing here. It's just not the right place.
Pillowattack

Boulder climber
DC
Jan 4, 2013 - 06:46am PT
Are you just trolling man... that last entry makes absolutely no sense. "I can do nothing" - that is some sick thinking. The only thing you should be powerless over is a 2nd drink. We get sober so we can live productive, happy lives. You sound like you are lost in the woods right now.
illusiondweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 06:46am PT
No arguing here, just posting relevant help:

http://www.reformu.com
illusiondweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 06:50am PT
"sick thinking", as if us addicts way of thinking didnt get us into the mess we're in? In RU we call it our "stinkin' thinkin'!
Pillowattack

Boulder climber
DC
Jan 4, 2013 - 06:51am PT
And once you do a consistent 11th step you can trust your thinking again. Read the book man
illusiondweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 07:03am PT
Sorry bro, no 11th step in the Book that sets my principal standard. 88% success rate, show me a "self help" program that posts those numbers.
illusiondweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 07:24am PT
"I can of mine own self do nothing:"

I say in the program, "It's not about me, for that's the very reason that got me in the mess I'm in, IT'S BEEN ALL ABOUT ME!"
Woody the Beaver

Trad climber
Soldier, Idaho
Jan 4, 2013 - 08:38am PT
Uh . . . Well, I'm grateful for another day. Crusty, sardonic mofos rule! Love them meetings.
illusiondweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 08:41am PT
It is FINE if you have the mindset you referred to, but you are in a group of agnostics and aetheists among those who have any number of spiritual paths. This is not a "Sobriety by Scriptures" thread -to create animosity, here, is NOT in the interest of the whole.


From: The First Edition Big Book Stories (http://www.barefootsworld.net/origbbstories.html#drbob);

THE DOCTOR'S NIGHTMARE (by Bob Smith,M.D. from Akron,OH.)

"If you think you are an atheist, an agnostic, a skeptic,or have any other form of intellectual pride which keeps you from accepting what is in this book, I feel sorry for you. If you still think you are strong enough to beat the game alone,that is your affair. But if you really and truly want to quit drinking liquor for good and all, and sincerely feel that you must have some help,we know that we have an answer for you. It never fails if you go about it with one half the zeal you have been in the habit of showing when getting another drink.

Your Heavenly Father will never let you down!"
Pillowattack

Boulder climber
DC
Jan 4, 2013 - 08:52am PT
First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother's eye

He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know.
Lao Tzu

This thread is about support - let's not railroad it into a religious debate. Love and respect for everyone walking their path

happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 4, 2013 - 08:57am PT
Illusion Dweller - THIS thread is not an AA thread, or any program in particular. I would be getting the very same reaction as you have been, if I was spouting "AA is the Way!" and other such things. Proselytizing just does not work here, or in most places.

I've not heard of the program you linked, and am going to take a look. I am glad it is helping you, but it may help to keep in mind, just as the bible says 'there are many rooms in my mansion(or similar), there are, too, many paths to a sober life. There is an art to sharing your experience, strength and hope(to borrow from AA) - "My way or the high way"(literally, here!) shuts the door on your words faster than one on a traveling salesman's foot."
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jan 4, 2013 - 09:40am PT
delusion iller,
your mouth is like the wall of sound (google grateful dead)

i have a 6000 word per minute threshold
after which i don't hear a gawdam thing
issuing of the largest hole in your face.

mute yourself, kindly.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 4, 2013 - 09:48am PT
A rewarding attitude is "moderation in all things". Especially sobriety and chastity.

no more destructive words have been spoken.
illusiondweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 10:45am PT
happiegrrrl....I'm sitting outside my son's school as we speak, waiting to pick him up, where I first saw this very sign, in this very spot, over five years ago:


Credit: illusiondweller


...it changed my life. God Bless.
illusiondweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 10:53am PT
a very worthwhile thread.


Yes it is...Glory to God.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:33am PT
Humility is the basis of recovery, that and trying to find a divine direction not supplied by our egos, but instead informed by a higher power. When we declare what the higher power is, and how we best follow this or that protocol or program, we have surly lost out way and are right back to trying to orchestrate the world's recovery. Such behavior is known as being on a "dry drunk," the earmarks being something other than humility and surrender. Then a drink is right around the corner for many of us . . .

Tolerance is crucial to recovery, IMO, no matter the program.

JL
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