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bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
Geez Gary, how about you not being a weird-assed multiple personality pathological liar? You've been called out on this so many times it's embarrasing.

from http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1175586&msg=1176824#msg1176824

Fredrick (aka Truthdweller/Digitsdelight/Illsiondweller/Gary) wrote:

Speaking of rating "creep"...I always called General Dynamics 5.10c and have ben back on it twice since 2007 and can't seem to repeat it! Am I that fat now or was I that much better twenty five years ago? Then again, it is now rated 5.11 which seems to explain why I'm having a difficult time on it now. I'm going to lean more on the former than the latter.


aww man, you two have lots more than that in common! ID, when did you move from NJ back to SD? Seems you both climbed at Woodson in the early eighties, moved to NJ, served in Iraq at a bit of an advanced age, and then simultaneously move back to SD! That's amazing!
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
bvb, please stop this. I've seen you do this on many threads, and you always do more harm then good. I understand your intention, but this is NOT what this thread is for.
This is not the place for you to play Internet Ranger, OK? This is a very serious topic for those of us fighting this disease, and it's managed to stay clear of the ST cesspool until now, for the most part.

The more you feel you HAVE to post, the more HE posts, and the thread gets destroyed. Walk away from this and do us all a favor.
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:20am PT
That's no way to talk to an American Legend.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:57am PT
No, Vegasclimber is totally right. But if asshat goes all Apocalypto on us again I can't make any promises. He's like the crazy lunatic screaming in the middle of the meeting. Sooner or later you gotta call the cops.
Psilocyborg

climber
Jan 7, 2013 - 01:51am PT
2 years, 4 months sober and loving every minute of it.

Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jan 7, 2013 - 03:01am PT
bvb, thanks much. If he goes off again, maybe it would be less intrusive to start a different thread to expose the issues. If you react, he will react, etc etc as I said. Appreciate your understanding.

Psi, grats on the 2 years plus! The two year mark was kinda tough for me, that's about the time I had been sober long enough to remember some of the stupid sh#t I did when I was drinking.
T2

climber
Cardiff by the sea
Jan 7, 2013 - 09:06am PT
Nice work Psi on your 28 month mark.

I made my 8 year mark on Xmas eve, I wanted to thank everyone here at the supertopo that gave me awesome support and advice when really needed it. I was going through a rough time.
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:17am PT
I was thinking about you, T2. Good job making it through.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
Nice work on the 8 years! Holidays are a tough time to have a sobriety date, even when things are going OK. Glad you made it through your rough patch sober. Another victory!
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 7, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
I'll be psyched when I get 8 months. In the last 5 1/2 years of trying this is the farthest I've ever made it.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jan 7, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
Keep doing what you're doing then! One day at a time, one minute at a time, whatever needs to happen. Remember, don't pick up the first one, and you will never get drunk. Keep it simple right now, our brains like simple.

Hope you have a good support system in place, that helps a lot. Winging it isn't much fun.
Psilocyborg

climber
Jan 7, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
I thought this was interesting.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_W.

am Griffith Wilson (November 26, 1895 January 24, 1971), also known as Bill Wilson or Bill W., was the co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA), an international mutual aid fellowship with over two million members belonging to 100,800 groups of alcoholics helping other alcoholics achieve and maintain sobriety.

In November 1934, Wilson was visited by old drinking companion Ebby Thacher. Wilson was astounded to find that Thacher had been sober for several weeks under the guidance of the evangelical Christian Oxford Group.[17] Wilson took some interest in the group, but shortly after Thacher's visit, he was again admitted to Towns Hospital to recover from a bout of drinking. This was his fourth and last stay at Towns hospital under Doctor Silkworth's care. It was while undergoing treatment with The Belladonna Cure that Wilson experienced his "Hot Flash" spiritual conversion and quit drinking.

In the 1950s Wilson used LSD in medically supervised experiments with Betty Eisner, Gerald Heard, and Aldous Huxley. With Wilson's invitation, his wife Lois, his spiritual adviser Father Ed Dowling, and Nell Wing also participated in experimentation of this drug. Later Wilson wrote to Carl Jung, praising the results and recommending it as validation of Jung's spiritual experience. (The letter was not in fact sent as Jung had died.)[30] According to Wilson, the session allowed him to re-experience a spontaneous spiritual experience he had had years before, which had enabled him to overcome his own alcoholism. Bill was enthusiastic about his experience; he felt it helped him eliminate many barriers erected by the self, or ego, that stand in the way of one's direct experience of the cosmos and of God. He thought he might have found something that could make a big difference to the lives of many who still suffered. Bill is quoted as saying: "It is a generally acknowledged fact in spiritual development that ego reduction makes the influx of God's grace possible. If, therefore, under LSD we can have a temporary reduction, so that we can better see what we are and where we are going well, that might be of some help. The goal might become clearer. So I consider LSD to be of some value to some people, and practically no damage to anyone. It will never take the place of any of the existing means by which we can reduce the ego, and keep it reduced."[31] Wilson felt that regular usage of LSD in a carefully controlled, structured setting would be beneficial for many recovering alcoholics. However, he felt this method only should be attempted by individuals with well-developed super-egos.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Jan 7, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Two years on Dec 30th for me.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jan 7, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
good deal Mark!

ever been to Tumwater Gorge? leavenworth area
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jan 7, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
BVB. if you can get past the 2 year mark it gets really easy. The longer you go the less physical symptoms you get.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 8, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
Maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but does anyone have any thoughts about Alanon?
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 8, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
Alanon groups vary radically. Some are healthy, and focus on healing from whatever havoc booze has wreaked in their lives. Some, however, are composed almost entirely of incredibly bitter ex-spouses who are looking for a forum in which to vent, endlessly, year after year. Addicted to the thrill of bitterness.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 8, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
Thanks. I guess the key is to try a few and hopefully find one that is constructive?
Edge

Trad climber
New Durham, NH
Jan 8, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
They are out there, dirtbag, and my wife finds her group very beneficial. I haven't personally been to an AA meeting in just over a year, but my wife continues with her alanon group almost every week.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 8, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
Thanks--thinking about trying it tonight.
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