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bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:57am PT
No, Vegasclimber is totally right. But if asshat goes all Apocalypto on us again I can't make any promises. He's like the crazy lunatic screaming in the middle of the meeting. Sooner or later you gotta call the cops.
Psilocyborg

climber
Jan 7, 2013 - 01:51am PT
2 years, 4 months sober and loving every minute of it.

Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jan 7, 2013 - 03:01am PT
bvb, thanks much. If he goes off again, maybe it would be less intrusive to start a different thread to expose the issues. If you react, he will react, etc etc as I said. Appreciate your understanding.

Psi, grats on the 2 years plus! The two year mark was kinda tough for me, that's about the time I had been sober long enough to remember some of the stupid sh#t I did when I was drinking.
T2

climber
Cardiff by the sea
Jan 7, 2013 - 09:06am PT
Nice work Psi on your 28 month mark.

I made my 8 year mark on Xmas eve, I wanted to thank everyone here at the supertopo that gave me awesome support and advice when really needed it. I was going through a rough time.
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:17am PT
I was thinking about you, T2. Good job making it through.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
Nice work on the 8 years! Holidays are a tough time to have a sobriety date, even when things are going OK. Glad you made it through your rough patch sober. Another victory!
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 7, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
I'll be psyched when I get 8 months. In the last 5 1/2 years of trying this is the farthest I've ever made it.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Jan 7, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
Keep doing what you're doing then! One day at a time, one minute at a time, whatever needs to happen. Remember, don't pick up the first one, and you will never get drunk. Keep it simple right now, our brains like simple.

Hope you have a good support system in place, that helps a lot. Winging it isn't much fun.
Psilocyborg

climber
Jan 7, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
I thought this was interesting.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_W.

am Griffith Wilson (November 26, 1895 January 24, 1971), also known as Bill Wilson or Bill W., was the co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA), an international mutual aid fellowship with over two million members belonging to 100,800 groups of alcoholics helping other alcoholics achieve and maintain sobriety.

In November 1934, Wilson was visited by old drinking companion Ebby Thacher. Wilson was astounded to find that Thacher had been sober for several weeks under the guidance of the evangelical Christian Oxford Group.[17] Wilson took some interest in the group, but shortly after Thacher's visit, he was again admitted to Towns Hospital to recover from a bout of drinking. This was his fourth and last stay at Towns hospital under Doctor Silkworth's care. It was while undergoing treatment with The Belladonna Cure that Wilson experienced his "Hot Flash" spiritual conversion and quit drinking.

In the 1950s Wilson used LSD in medically supervised experiments with Betty Eisner, Gerald Heard, and Aldous Huxley. With Wilson's invitation, his wife Lois, his spiritual adviser Father Ed Dowling, and Nell Wing also participated in experimentation of this drug. Later Wilson wrote to Carl Jung, praising the results and recommending it as validation of Jung's spiritual experience. (The letter was not in fact sent as Jung had died.)[30] According to Wilson, the session allowed him to re-experience a spontaneous spiritual experience he had had years before, which had enabled him to overcome his own alcoholism. Bill was enthusiastic about his experience; he felt it helped him eliminate many barriers erected by the self, or ego, that stand in the way of one's direct experience of the cosmos and of God. He thought he might have found something that could make a big difference to the lives of many who still suffered. Bill is quoted as saying: "It is a generally acknowledged fact in spiritual development that ego reduction makes the influx of God's grace possible. If, therefore, under LSD we can have a temporary reduction, so that we can better see what we are and where we are going well, that might be of some help. The goal might become clearer. So I consider LSD to be of some value to some people, and practically no damage to anyone. It will never take the place of any of the existing means by which we can reduce the ego, and keep it reduced."[31] Wilson felt that regular usage of LSD in a carefully controlled, structured setting would be beneficial for many recovering alcoholics. However, he felt this method only should be attempted by individuals with well-developed super-egos.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Jan 7, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Two years on Dec 30th for me.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jan 7, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
good deal Mark!

ever been to Tumwater Gorge? leavenworth area
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jan 7, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
BVB. if you can get past the 2 year mark it gets really easy. The longer you go the less physical symptoms you get.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 8, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
Maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but does anyone have any thoughts about Alanon?
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 8, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
Alanon groups vary radically. Some are healthy, and focus on healing from whatever havoc booze has wreaked in their lives. Some, however, are composed almost entirely of incredibly bitter ex-spouses who are looking for a forum in which to vent, endlessly, year after year. Addicted to the thrill of bitterness.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 8, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
Thanks. I guess the key is to try a few and hopefully find one that is constructive?
Edge

Trad climber
New Durham, NH
Jan 8, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
They are out there, dirtbag, and my wife finds her group very beneficial. I haven't personally been to an AA meeting in just over a year, but my wife continues with her alanon group almost every week.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 8, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
Thanks--thinking about trying it tonight.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 8, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
Maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but does anyone have any thoughts about Alanon?

I'll put in a good word for AlAnon!

Before I got sober, one day my mom called me. She herslef had slipped after a decent time not drinking, and didn't know what to do because she knew she had it bad, that she couldn't put it down without a rehab, and that she didn't think Medicaid would pay for a rehab....

I mentioned this to my boss at work and she said "You should look into AlAnon." She then explained it a bit(although I already knew what it was), got on the phone and got info on some meetings for that night. Because my boss frightened me a little - well, a lot, I went to the meeting rather than have to deal with her if I didn't do as she said(this is an interesting connection, which will be seen later...)


The meeting was GREAT! This sophisticated Upper East Side lady, talking about her relationship with alcoholsim, down and dirty. And it HELPED!

IMMEDIATELY I knew what I had to do.... NO, not about my mother. About the dysfunctional relationship I had with my boss!

That's a long story, but the next time my boss asked me to do this task which was completely unrelated to work, and one which she had manipulated me into doing and which I KNEW was unhealthy.... I simply said "Esta, I ca no longer do this for you." Simple as THAT!

Well...her mouth dropped. But there it was. And she never asked me to do it again. Of course, she was a bitch on wheels after that and I did get fired about two weeks later...hahah. But AlAnon WORKED! I saw - clearly - my part in the dysfunctional relationship, owned it, and stopped.

AlAnon can be a very powerful program.



On the other hand...in AA we do often refer to it as "AlAnonAndOn." (because if anyone thinks AA'ers whine and go on, they haven't been to an AlAnon meeting....)
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Jan 8, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
Way to go Mark.
Continuing to inspire on and off the rock.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jan 8, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
Having just spend over a month in the hospital, I can say for certain that no matter what happened, I always had my program to come back to.

JL
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