Sobriety (off topic or not)?


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em kn0t

Trad climber
isle of wyde
Feb 14, 2010 - 03:15am PT

keep on, one day at time

regarding the higher power / belief conundrum, a good book:
"One Breath at a Time - Buddhism and the Twelve Steps" by Kevin Griffin

namaste, and may the higher power be with you, whatever that may be


Trad climber
Oakland Park Florida
Feb 14, 2010 - 10:18am PT
regret will be replaced with joy !
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 14, 2010 - 12:28pm PT
What's the worst part about knott drinking?

When you wake up in the morning, that's as good as yer gonna feel all day...

And there's something to be said for that!

Trad climber
New York, NY
Feb 14, 2010 - 12:31pm PT
That's not true.... Especially if you have a cold and are all stuffed up from laying down all night. Or wake up from a nightmare. Or something.

But I suppose - if going up from awful is to be seen as a positive, then....I stick with Door Number One, Bob.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 14, 2010 - 12:37pm PT
Hmmm. I take breaks from alcohol every week - from a day or two to a few days.
I ALWAYS feel better on the mornings when I have knott had any booze the day before,
whether a single beer or several shots of high-grade tequila. When I take breaks spanning
a month or more, I consistently feel much better every morning - day after day after day...

Trad climber
Feb 14, 2010 - 12:44pm PT
Can anyone tell me whether you found the drug Campral to be effective in alcohol abstinence. I rely a great deal on patient feed back. Also has anyone used Suboxone who might provide some feedback? I DO know the drugs I RX for smoking cessation can be hugely effective (Chantix, Wellbutrin) but I know less about how effective is Campral and Subuxone. Feedback is very important.

Lois. . . maybe you should ask YOUR PATIENTS?


Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
Feb 14, 2010 - 01:03pm PT
LEB is back and once again an important and meaningful thread takes a nose dive.

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Feb 14, 2010 - 01:35pm PT
it used to be a social tool for me. it accompanied and accented my playfull strides.

as a parent, it has now become vitality in a can.

all week long i grind for a paycheck.

evenings i spin barbies in dance. i usually play ken.

weekends i seal the leaks in the homestead and play more dolls and watch dance performances etc.

but i do not get out amongst them mountains. hence i pour some of them 'mountains' into my gob and feel happier for it.

for now, beer is vitality in a can.

i like the flavor too. and my smile widens. and my eyes brighten. temporarily at least.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 14, 2010 - 01:46pm PT
Last night a gorgeous woman came up and introduced herself to me. Unfortunately, I was too sloshed to speak coherently.

So "vitality in a can" - it was most certainly KNOTT.

Reminded me of that saying that goes something like:

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool

-than to open your mouth and remove all doubt...

Who knows?
Feb 14, 2010 - 01:56pm PT

Hang in there Hankster!

And your right not drinkn is boring as hog piss!

I do find it interesting that we posion our bodies in the name of having a good time..

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 14, 2010 - 02:27pm PT
Good to see you join in.
Remember those 5.12 moves getting past the liquor store.....


You've joined in a lot, but not sure if you're trying to encourage Hank or justify your own scene, or what??
David Knopp

Trad climber
Feb 14, 2010 - 02:38pm PT
hank-i don't know a damn thing about sobriety, but i wish all the best, and ultimate success. You are a great person, have succeeded at many things, and you can succeed at one more. Think of your pugs, they can surely help-they'll love more attention more walks and they will always be there to smile back at you.

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Feb 14, 2010 - 03:28pm PT
im just sorting, survival. along with Hank and the others.

i offer my two bits when i save them up.
its selfish spew really.
im laying out my plight on your picnic blanket.
i did encourage hank along on his quiet quest for clarity and poise.

i guess also by spilling my beans into the pot,
the group soup will be so spiced.

nothing of substance here, survival. im all fluff.

you got any beer in that picnic basket?

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 14, 2010 - 03:54pm PT
HA! I always enjoy your stuff Norwegian, no matter what you're trying to say!
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Feb 14, 2010 - 07:12pm PT
I appreciate what Largo says about addressing the underlying issues that create the need to numb with alcohol. The curse can actually be a great blessing in giving a person the push to look and heal within, while others might simply bury their issues and live dumb.

Every human, in growing up blindly, raised by parents who they saw as God but who were just humans....we all have twists in our psyche that need healing.

Keep on the path to knowing your self and finding forgiveness for yourself, from yourself and everyone else. Become undivided and whole and enjoy real Life.



Big Wall climber
Feb 14, 2010 - 08:43pm PT
I am pretty much done drinking. Its become a problem. It sucks seeing all the pictures of older people drinking and knowing they are still having a good time and keeping their sh*t together. Thats not me, I cant do that. If I drink , things will go bad. I will waste money and have nothing to show for it. I dont want to be the last person to leave the party.

I went to a art/music festival last night and didnt drink. It was a first, and really hard. I didnt crave any ciggarettes for once which was awesome.

It was interesting watching all the people dance, me being sober, them being sucking down drink and sucking in smoke. I was still able to dance and enjoy myself.

It was really cool driving through a surprise DUI checkpoint in downtown Hollywood, and being completely sober, smiling at the officer and saying "Nothing to drink tonight sir" Haha!

Trad climber
Feb 14, 2010 - 10:15pm PT
As my good friends would tell me in early sobriety and I still say it" don't drink, go to meetings, ask for help". It took me quite a while to understand but it truly is just one day at a time, sometimes 1 hour or 1 minute, especially when i am feeling that compulsion.

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Feb 14, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
some rise.

some fall.

some climb.

to get to terrapin.

counting stars by candle light.
all are dim but ONE is bright.

spiral light of venus shining first and shining best.

oh from the northwest corner, of a brand new crescent moon,

hey now!
sometimes magic needs an ill medium thru which to pass.

look at:
morrison. hendrix. cobain. kerouac.

magicians of thought. if they turned their back on the dark side, i'd be less complete.

i just don't know folks. poisons have their place, to better an ill society i guess.

Trad climber
New York, NY
Feb 14, 2010 - 10:36pm PT
Yay for you, enjoimx!

I remember my first time sober at a party where drinking and smoking pot was going on. I was only about 30 days sober at the time, but was there with a friend who knew my situation and was a non-alcoholic. (I still should NOT have been there!).

But yeah - it was pretty cool, NOT having to drink to be part of the scene. Who'd have known!?

The other funny first was my first time going to the Orient for work after I quit drinking. I was REALLY actually surprised that the majority of people on voard weren't drinking alcohol. At all! That was NOT how I had remembered it being. I thought a good number of people did, and of those, a good munber got sloshed just like I did!

Before, the flight was always TOTALLY about getting sloshed. It was like " I have 12 WHOLE HOURS that I don't have any responsibility whatsoever..." I drank a lot of wine on those trips. One time, I kept asking for refills and the flight attendant got so disgusted he said "Here, take the bottle" and thrust it in my face.

I had 3 quick-in-succession thoughts. 1) "Oh, this is embarrassing." 2)"Thank God I don't have to keep buzzing you, you little twerp." and 3)"Hey, the bottle is only just over half full!"

mountain dog

Trad climber
over the hills and far away
Feb 14, 2010 - 10:47pm PT
enjoimx, That is a good report. Going to places were alcohol is present (almost everywhere in my world) will continue to be interesting. Plus, just the mental association of so many cool people, places, and activities where I imbibed is another problem. Music and literature also set off my warning signs/cravings. What an order!
It seems that somehow we must reinvent ourselves. But I don't want to be the guy in the meeting for the rest of my life, or a monk.
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