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Trad climber
Feb 4, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
What a trip on the dates! Stopped drinking Oct. 17th of last year. I let my kids down bad and needed a change. Meetings aren't for me, not tempted, don't think I would go to the excess I did again, but it seems right for the kids to see me make a commitment to making their experience with me better.


Bungwater Hollow, Ida-ho
Feb 4, 2014 - 01:17pm PT
June 22, 1992 at 0930 EST was my last drink.

I carry that around with me like a chip.

I think alcoholics are obsessed with details such as these. Like watching someone else drink a beer and being astounded when they leave an ounce and a half at the bottom of the glass.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Feb 5, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
I would think a detail like your sobriety date is pretty different than noticing a detail of somebody else's drinking habits, twisted crank. The date you stopped drinking can be HIGHLY meaningful. Most often, I would reckon it is. It isn't usually on the New Years resolution level, want to fit into my skinny jeans level, I'll tell you that much.

Noticing others' drinking, that is an interesting topic. I would say my sobriety is questioned much more ("you still not drinking beer, man?") than I cast aspersion on anybody else's right to get their swerve on. But I don't hang out in drinking situations very much either. Far as me and other people drinking, I feel like if your drinking doesn't effect the right to life and liberty for those around you, then drink away. I'll see you at the hospital, give you some ativan.


Social climber
Colorado Plateau
Feb 5, 2014 - 01:49pm PT
One reminder I give myself is there isn't anything that a drink won't make worse.

I like it Plaid

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 11, 2014 - 04:31pm PT
Anybody see this recent article?

After 75 Years of Alcoholics Anonymous, It’s Time to Admit We Have a Problem
BY MAIA SZALAVITZ • February 10, 2014 • 10:00 AM

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 11, 2014 - 06:17pm PT
The article is a good read. I don't advocate one method over another. I have my preferred method buy it isn't for everyone. If there's a problem deal with it. If there isn't drink up. The individual will know.

Trad climber
Feb 11, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
Apogee -I haven't time to do more than glance at the article right now, but "AA is Bad Science" articles come out quite frequently. This one doesn't seem to present anything new(though I will take a better look when I have sometime).

True - many people are mandated to AA after getting in a legal fix. Would we rather they be mandated to government-funded programs, when the plain truth is - as of yet, we have not found a way that is "better than AA?" AA, which "works" as well, if not better, than other courses of action, costs the government not one cent, although I suppose someone who is unable to transport themselves to meetings may require assistance in that way, which would likely be provided by a very localized organization which might receive some government funding.

Should we really "do nothing?" when a person cannot control their drinking to the point they are driving drunk or whatever other behaviors are getting them mandated to the program? Getting a dose of AA never killed anyone, although it may have been extremely uncomfortable for people who didn't want to address their drinking problem or couldn't seem to get the concept that they could have named a tile in the floor of their AA meeting as their "Higher Power."

Contrary to popular belief, most people recover from their addictions without any treatment—professional or self-help—regardless of whether the drug involved is alcohol, crack, methamphetamine, heroin, or cigarettes.

Contrary to whatever the author of that article is smoking, it ought to be the experience of the vast majority of human beings that that statement is a crock of shite. They really ought to provide some reference to reliable information when they write something like that. And...they don't. College year drinking does not equal alcoholism for the majority of the population.

Anyway - I am glad I got sober through AA, as have more than a few agnostics and atheists I know. It IS a program that works - if you work it - and is applicable to ALL aspects of life, not just addiction. IF we followed the Steps, Principals and Concepts of AA as a basis for dealing with our neighbors, from next door to those on the other side of the world, we WOULD HAVE world peace.


Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 11, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
Whatever works for you is fine by me but keep your pompus bullshit to yourselfs. Pretty fcked up when the AA crowd judges me and declares that I must not of really been an alchoholic if i was able to quit on my own without being part of their program.. Got news for you sunshine. I have accomplished many things in this life that many if not most people could not pull off. Of course millions of other folks have accomplished things that I could not. As much as we are all the same we are all different.

Trad climber
Feb 11, 2014 - 09:37pm PT
Tradmanclimbs -I have no doubt whatsoever that you are an alcoholic. I never suggested you weren't...sunshine!

Because a write of an article(who doesn't mention actually have been an alcoholic, or even having attended open AA meetings) writes that AA'ers say someone who is able to quit on their own "must not really be an alcoholic" is blarney. Nowhere in the Big Book does it infer such a thing, nor anywhere in AA literature published since.

For sure, there are probably alcoholics in AA who would spout that sort of blather, but that would be their personal opinion and nothing more, and you know what they say about opinions.... (Or, as is said in the rooms of AA: "Some are sicker than others" - which is usually said in jest, by the way).


Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 11, 2014 - 10:11pm PT
AA works but not or everybody,

95 percent leave before 90 days,

of those, 95 percent leave before 2 years,

maybe a lot of those who drop out remain sober, maybe not,

most of the people who come in on the blue light special do not return,

so 1 in 400 make it to 2 years, if they do make it to 2 years, then they tend to stay sober a long time,

you have to find a group that is good for you as anyone can attend, all it takes is one goofball to turn people off, and there is not much you can do to shut them up so you find another meeting,

so get what you can and leave the rest, helps me out, on my way to an 8 oclocker, free cofee, sometimes cake and cookies, and some cool people that i like,


Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Feb 11, 2014 - 11:44pm PT
Only people who have been to 3 or less meetings give a rats ass about what everyone outside of the program gets all up in arms over. I got a tip for you.... It's the community. These programs allow you to surround yourself with others like you who also want to be well and provides some structure and some sort of direction for the previously directionless and hopeless. No one comes into aa high fiving their friends. For most, it's a demoralizing end of the road. But some get better and there is no better feeling than helping another crawl out of that shitty pit of hell you were once in yourself.

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Feb 12, 2014 - 09:56pm PT
Two days away from 14 years. One day at a time. For those still suffering, please keep up the fight. It works if you work it.

Trad climber
Feb 12, 2014 - 10:15pm PT
Happy Valentine's...err 14 years Sober Day!

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Mar 1, 2014 - 07:31am PT
i've experienced a few wet dreams, of late.
ones where i give the shaft to sobriety
and frolic in the foam of a good draught.

the first pint always feels good,
the second one showers me with guilt,
and i'm upset, in my dream,
that i'll have to tell my wife that i spilt beer down my gob.

i'm about 6 months deep in this
sucker hole of reality.
i was probing around in the dark,
trying to find a soft place to park,
for it was cold and lonely and overly dramatic, out there.
i should have waited for light before committing
to absolute clarity,
but now here i find myself,
still lonely, overly-dramatic and broke; underinspired.
but fvck it. right. fvck that false hole,
i'm gone and i'm right here at the same time,
kinda torn between existences.
since i'm my own design,
i assigned myself a proper modulus of elasticity,
which quantifies a resistance to bending.
mine is, rightfully, quite low.

yesterday i was at the pub with my daughters
and i had a good bottle of n.a.,
they had gelato.

the fine gals around me were having the perfect.
pints, good shares, laughter, social shine, and big smiles.
i shared in their conversation, and i felt a tinge of yearning for the pint.

but overall, this has been quite enjoyable.
the emotional glissades are still there,
but i've found other ways to jumar back up my hope-rope
that don't leave me with a sideways glance and hung over.

i'm excited about the potential beer that i'll crack
on my 40th, next october, closing a sober year.

Mar 1, 2014 - 08:31am PT
Nice Weeg.


Social climber
Joshua Tree
Mar 2, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
So I go to the Banff film fest the other night.

At intermission, they do a door prize drawing. About 4 different prizes they draw for. I tell my friends, "I never win these things, have never won one anywhere". So the last prize they draw is a growler with some free fill-ups from a Redlands microbrewery. I lean over tell buddy "watch this, I don't drink, never win these things...5:1 they draw my number"

"I'm gonna win"
"You've got to be shitting me, I'm going to win"

Yes, I won the beer. WTF?!
Friends I went with don't drink either. Plenty of people from my climbing gym were in attendance, so I passed it off to a friend once the thing was over. Kept the brewery t-shirt though, a man can never have too many t-shirts.


Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Apr 1, 2014 - 10:13am PT
i'm calling it my seven month milestone.
it is merely a coincidence that today is april fools,

so this morning i asked my wife for an appropriate gift:

me: "will you drink a coors light so i can steal a nip?"
she: "no, i don't want a beer right now (it's 7:00 am)."

me: "where's the love?"

so i'm dry.

5 months until my 1-year goal is complete.
i'm kinda excited to lip up to that can of real.

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Apr 1, 2014 - 10:54am PT
Four years, just last week.


The Granite State.
Apr 7, 2014 - 09:16pm PT
So, it's Monday night. I don't have to work tomorrow and I've decided that I want to drink to the point of being buzzed, tonight.
When I found out that I'd have tonight to myself I thought, 'Sweet, I can have a cocktail.' {total red flag, if you ever want to find one}
Well, I'm doing it right now, and it feels shitty, like I'm just going through the motions and getting nothing back in return.
I'm listening to Bob Marley preach greatness, and I portray greatness when I can, but I am not a great man. I am a flawed man.
There are no more lies in our relationship, so I'm telling you that I'm f*#king up tonight.
I'm not getting wasted, but I've got a little buzz.
Tomorrow I'll wake and accomplish things on my list, but I'm slipping a little bit tonight. It's not indicative of anything larger, but I want to be super honest with you.
I've found a space in my being that is all love, and it is so damn good. You've been the impetus for so much of my change.
I'm telling this to you because I care about us.
I've quit drinking for both of us, but I'm falling back on old habits tonight, three beers, bad news.
I hope you can forgive me. I did what I said I wouldn't do.
I love you.


Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Apr 7, 2014 - 09:21pm PT
Brandon, who are you quoting?
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