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Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Oct 5, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
im only part human.
my show is compromised.
silentone

Mountain climber
wisconsin
Oct 7, 2013 - 02:55am PT
Hey, can someone explain the concept of a "dry drunk",
I'm in the I need to cut down but can still enjoy a few beers now and again fantasy. I can still funtion (funtional alcoholic) and sometimes I get scared at how good I feel after days of not drinking. Then I think to much and can't get out of my own way.Is this drinking thinking?
Hope Terrie is alright.
Peace and serenity to you all.
Love S.O.
(Paul)

Edge

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 8, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
Silentone, if you ask at an AA meeting they will describe a dry drunk as someone who manages not to drink by sheer willpower and by not working their program. In reality, many programs and approaches can be effective, but you have to do something to address the deeper problems. Excessive drinking is just a symptom of alcoholic behavior, which effects us mentally, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. If you merely don't drink and carry on with the rest of your life in exactly the same way expecting different results, you are a "dry drunk." Einstein would say you are insane, and I would tend to agree.

I used AA heavily for my first year of real sobriety (I had been going off and on for 5 years prior) and only when I and others began seeing significant progress in my mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual growth did I stop attending traditional AA meetings in favor of other avenues that help me continue to grow as a "spiritual being in a human body." I'm not too proud to say that should the need arise I would return to the meetings in a heartbeat for the exceptional support that can be found there. To date it has been over two years without attending a meeting, but I continue to work a different program that works for me and allows me to continue my evolution. This thread is a nice supplement to that.

It also helps me to remember my last drunk, which was similar to the first time I had sex. I was alone and in the dark, and there's no need to ever go back there...

Cheers.

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 9, 2013 - 12:24am PT
Well said, Edge. Thanks
treez

Trad climber
99827
Oct 9, 2013 - 12:51am PT
The chief = dry drunk.
Edge

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 9, 2013 - 01:39am PT
Jim, I read your two posts carefully a couple of times and I'm still not sure what you are saying.

I will add as clarification that for me personally, when I refer to spirituality, I am not referring to religion. Rather it is a way of life where I continually strive to be the best person that I can be, evolving constantly and moving forward. I am far from perfect, but I keep running it out on lead towards that elusive summit.

Nature plays a huge part in this, as does love of family and friends. I would never want to subject them to me as a drunk again, but more importantly I don't want to do that to myself. If I have a foundation in the 12 & 12, it is just that, a firm footing from which I build off everyday. AA helps many, and I try to offer support without preaching to whomever needs it and wants help, no matter what "program" they choose to work. It is not up for me to judge another in any way, but I am always willing to offer a spot or a soft catch if asked, judgement free.

Cheers.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 9, 2013 - 02:24am PT
Edge, you've hit on an important point.

I think the issue of spirituality is far more important than the issue of religion.

I have, on many occasions, seen supposedly recovering people using their religion as a shield from being spiritual, particularly with respect to other people.

There can also be an issue of boundaries, where a religious person manifests their religiosity through attempts at conversion.....almost always unwelcome.
silentone

Mountain climber
wisconsin
Oct 9, 2013 - 03:52am PT
Thanks for the insight Edge.
That makes alot of sense to me.
It is a great day.
Silent one
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Oct 9, 2013 - 06:29am PT
I dig your approach to the program, Edge. Much less a weapon of judgment than a tool of help in that context.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Oct 9, 2013 - 07:09am PT
I find that those who preach the loudest about their religion are almost always the ones who are the farthest from spirituality and /or the teachings of their own religion.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 9, 2013 - 08:33am PT
Bingo
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Nov 1, 2013 - 12:25am PT
Tomorrow night, good lord willing and the creek don't rise, I'll be at a year.

What a year!

Anything I can think of to write beyond this sounds inadequate, ranging between sanctimonious and self satisfied. So fukit!
Edge

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 1, 2013 - 12:44am PT
Great news, Jebus! Keep it up !
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Nov 1, 2013 - 12:50am PT
Way to send Jebus!!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Nov 1, 2013 - 07:03am PT
Great job jebus. it gets a lot easier from here!
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Nov 1, 2013 - 07:29am PT
just shy of a month for me,
life has been stable, though
incredibly mundane.

two thumbs-a-twiddlin, laudy-da.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 1, 2013 - 09:27am PT
Holy Jebus, Jebus nice work!

You too, Norge
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Nov 1, 2013 - 10:05am PT
Happy anniversary Jebus.



I AM okay. What happened was.... I got a job.

Seriously, I did get a job at the Mohonk Preserve doing the trailhead assistant thing, and was working 4 and 5 days a week all day, with no internet connection except for 20 minutes or so a few days a week. During which, it was all I could do to check emails and keep up with my business ventures.

When I saw the "where's Terrie" post, I looked back and see it had been an entire month off ST...didn't realize that, and time does fly when you're....at work all day.


The *good* news is that I am done for the season, and will likely be online WAY too much for the next few months. I am doing a house sit in NY just a few miles from where I was, so won't be to JT this winter.

Sorry for causing any worry. It HAS been tough, missing Teddy. I had spent so much time just hanging out with him, and now there are big chunks of time that are left unfilled, and unfulfilled. But, I haven't thought about drinking.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 1, 2013 - 11:41am PT
Keep after it weeg. I'm sure you will find certain parts "mundane", but if you watch and listen and "feel" closely, you will also find more subtle parts getting sweeter.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Nov 1, 2013 - 11:48am PT
Thanks all!

It definitely gets better.

Congrats to you too Norwegian. Sorry mundanity grinds upon you, I guess I was too busy dealing with fallout a month into the beginning of my sobriety to notice. For me, a big discovery has been that fun and creativity are not contingent on substance abuse. I still joke like an idiot and play my guitar blue.

Good to hear things are alright, Terrie.
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