Sobriety (off topic or not)?


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Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jan 11, 2014 - 12:42am PT
f*#kin off, getting wasted:
a convenient method of torquing your vices,
casting your tranquility out into a sea of disease,
and then reeling it back in to find it each time,
less in emotional mass.

and then you begin to leave your tranquility put;
casting instead yourself out into the torment.
swimming amongst poisons and ailments and pain and sorrows;
fears and regrets.

for me, drinking was always a means to put myself
in a weakened position from which i must crawl back.

i enjoy bounds. i search for my low threshold,
just to tease what i am made of.
i even like to extend myself as far beyond
my learned capacity as my insanity-sanity
modulus will allow.

for me life ain't right unless i am constantly
struggling to re-achieve my status-quo comfort.

i've abandoned this path of booze for the time well.
i don't know for how long,
i have promised myself a year,
and it is going well.

i now achieve my inter-personal thrashings
via my engineering career, my tree-surgeries / amputations,
my child rearing efforts, my rock clawing dreams;
and all of these tried mediums beat me well,
that i must crawl back from each thorough experience.

i stay tied to a life for roughly four year cycles.
then i upset it, drastically.

my marriage and family have endured this variability of mine.
they have even transcended my habits and will continue to
because a family ain't a career and thus cannot be toyed with.

but sanity ain't a family and thus shall be eternally upset.

for now my cup remains dry.
though i imagine drunk as well
or even better than it's stark reality.


Gym climber
Great White North
Jan 11, 2014 - 08:00am PT
Norwegian: you seem like a really intense guy...


Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jan 11, 2014 - 08:13am PT
Weeg...I could not be more proud of your committment to sobriety....totally impressive!

Stay the course, Sir poet.

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Jan 11, 2014 - 08:40am PT
thank you dean.

i maintain myself such that
when two choices entertain me,
i am equipped to chose and
carry out the more difficult one.
growing up in and maintaining a home in
the mountains has taught me this credential.

anita dear i present online
in a much skewed theatre.

in warm skin i am very shy, reserved and a little awkward.
as far as my intensity,
that is all on the inside.
im super dopey about my tangible business,
mostly in a state of such stupor
that my friends won't let me blaze the weed
because they tell me that i am already there.

Gym climber
Great White North
Jan 11, 2014 - 10:56am PT
I can dig it
I am shy too

Jan 24, 2014 - 10:40pm PT
Bumping for those of us who are beverage challenged.

Miss it but I've never felt better in the mornings than I have over the last 6 months.

Blueberry lemon aid. Kicks ass!

Gym climber
Great White North
Jan 24, 2014 - 10:44pm PT
1 week no alcamahol.
Yay me!

Social climber
Jan 24, 2014 - 10:47pm PT
hey there say, ... just stopped by to say--keep up the great work...

so many things to do, to fill 'a different' cup...

cup of knowledge, etc...

our family, my folks, taught us moderation, so we were fortunate...
i thank god for my folks doing this... it kept a very bad hard battle from
us... well, for me... (as, i was not home when my brothers were younger, so i don't know their stories--i was married and in south texas, then)...

god bless and happy good eve to you all...

so many names, to names, blessings to you all, and your wonderful goals...

Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
Jan 24, 2014 - 11:14pm PT
Still in the game since 7/5/1985. Willing to share the wealth-


Jan 24, 2014 - 11:34pm PT
Nice plaid.

I've lost 20 lbs since I quit.

Funny how that works.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Feb 4, 2014 - 01:48am PT
You are never done with this. I just passed a minor test of conviction that could have been a major problem, is all I will relate. It felt huge though and relief washed through me to turn away from that path. As one who didn't often turn down the offered drink, the smoking joint, I guess we need to find and provide our own examples. Relief that I can control this, and that we all can rise above this washes through me.

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Feb 4, 2014 - 07:07am PT
here's to pissing on the sun.
that f*#ker is hot,

Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
Feb 4, 2014 - 11:27am PT
One reminder I give myself is there isn't anything that a drink won't make worse.


Trad climber
Feb 4, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
What a trip on the dates! Stopped drinking Oct. 17th of last year. I let my kids down bad and needed a change. Meetings aren't for me, not tempted, don't think I would go to the excess I did again, but it seems right for the kids to see me make a commitment to making their experience with me better.


Bungwater Hollow, Ida-ho
Feb 4, 2014 - 01:17pm PT
June 22, 1992 at 0930 EST was my last drink.

I carry that around with me like a chip.

I think alcoholics are obsessed with details such as these. Like watching someone else drink a beer and being astounded when they leave an ounce and a half at the bottom of the glass.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Feb 5, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
I would think a detail like your sobriety date is pretty different than noticing a detail of somebody else's drinking habits, twisted crank. The date you stopped drinking can be HIGHLY meaningful. Most often, I would reckon it is. It isn't usually on the New Years resolution level, want to fit into my skinny jeans level, I'll tell you that much.

Noticing others' drinking, that is an interesting topic. I would say my sobriety is questioned much more ("you still not drinking beer, man?") than I cast aspersion on anybody else's right to get their swerve on. But I don't hang out in drinking situations very much either. Far as me and other people drinking, I feel like if your drinking doesn't effect the right to life and liberty for those around you, then drink away. I'll see you at the hospital, give you some ativan.


Social climber
Colorado Plateau
Feb 5, 2014 - 01:49pm PT
One reminder I give myself is there isn't anything that a drink won't make worse.

I like it Plaid

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 11, 2014 - 04:31pm PT
Anybody see this recent article?

After 75 Years of Alcoholics Anonymous, It’s Time to Admit We Have a Problem
BY MAIA SZALAVITZ • February 10, 2014 • 10:00 AM

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Feb 11, 2014 - 06:17pm PT
The article is a good read. I don't advocate one method over another. I have my preferred method buy it isn't for everyone. If there's a problem deal with it. If there isn't drink up. The individual will know.

Trad climber
Feb 11, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
Apogee -I haven't time to do more than glance at the article right now, but "AA is Bad Science" articles come out quite frequently. This one doesn't seem to present anything new(though I will take a better look when I have sometime).

True - many people are mandated to AA after getting in a legal fix. Would we rather they be mandated to government-funded programs, when the plain truth is - as of yet, we have not found a way that is "better than AA?" AA, which "works" as well, if not better, than other courses of action, costs the government not one cent, although I suppose someone who is unable to transport themselves to meetings may require assistance in that way, which would likely be provided by a very localized organization which might receive some government funding.

Should we really "do nothing?" when a person cannot control their drinking to the point they are driving drunk or whatever other behaviors are getting them mandated to the program? Getting a dose of AA never killed anyone, although it may have been extremely uncomfortable for people who didn't want to address their drinking problem or couldn't seem to get the concept that they could have named a tile in the floor of their AA meeting as their "Higher Power."

Contrary to popular belief, most people recover from their addictions without any treatment—professional or self-help—regardless of whether the drug involved is alcohol, crack, methamphetamine, heroin, or cigarettes.

Contrary to whatever the author of that article is smoking, it ought to be the experience of the vast majority of human beings that that statement is a crock of shite. They really ought to provide some reference to reliable information when they write something like that. And...they don't. College year drinking does not equal alcoholism for the majority of the population.

Anyway - I am glad I got sober through AA, as have more than a few agnostics and atheists I know. It IS a program that works - if you work it - and is applicable to ALL aspects of life, not just addiction. IF we followed the Steps, Principals and Concepts of AA as a basis for dealing with our neighbors, from next door to those on the other side of the world, we WOULD HAVE world peace.

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