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Edge

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 9, 2013 - 01:39am PT
Jim, I read your two posts carefully a couple of times and I'm still not sure what you are saying.

I will add as clarification that for me personally, when I refer to spirituality, I am not referring to religion. Rather it is a way of life where I continually strive to be the best person that I can be, evolving constantly and moving forward. I am far from perfect, but I keep running it out on lead towards that elusive summit.

Nature plays a huge part in this, as does love of family and friends. I would never want to subject them to me as a drunk again, but more importantly I don't want to do that to myself. If I have a foundation in the 12 & 12, it is just that, a firm footing from which I build off everyday. AA helps many, and I try to offer support without preaching to whomever needs it and wants help, no matter what "program" they choose to work. It is not up for me to judge another in any way, but I am always willing to offer a spot or a soft catch if asked, judgement free.

Cheers.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 9, 2013 - 02:24am PT
Edge, you've hit on an important point.

I think the issue of spirituality is far more important than the issue of religion.

I have, on many occasions, seen supposedly recovering people using their religion as a shield from being spiritual, particularly with respect to other people.

There can also be an issue of boundaries, where a religious person manifests their religiosity through attempts at conversion.....almost always unwelcome.
silentone

Mountain climber
wisconsin
Oct 9, 2013 - 03:52am PT
Thanks for the insight Edge.
That makes alot of sense to me.
It is a great day.
Silent one
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Oct 9, 2013 - 06:29am PT
I dig your approach to the program, Edge. Much less a weapon of judgment than a tool of help in that context.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Oct 9, 2013 - 07:09am PT
I find that those who preach the loudest about their religion are almost always the ones who are the farthest from spirituality and /or the teachings of their own religion.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 9, 2013 - 08:33am PT
Bingo
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Nov 1, 2013 - 12:25am PT
Tomorrow night, good lord willing and the creek don't rise, I'll be at a year.

What a year!

Anything I can think of to write beyond this sounds inadequate, ranging between sanctimonious and self satisfied. So fukit!
Edge

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 1, 2013 - 12:44am PT
Great news, Jebus! Keep it up !
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Nov 1, 2013 - 12:50am PT
Way to send Jebus!!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Nov 1, 2013 - 07:03am PT
Great job jebus. it gets a lot easier from here!
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Nov 1, 2013 - 07:29am PT
just shy of a month for me,
life has been stable, though
incredibly mundane.

two thumbs-a-twiddlin, laudy-da.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 1, 2013 - 09:27am PT
Holy Jebus, Jebus nice work!

You too, Norge
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Nov 1, 2013 - 10:05am PT
Happy anniversary Jebus.



I AM okay. What happened was.... I got a job.

Seriously, I did get a job at the Mohonk Preserve doing the trailhead assistant thing, and was working 4 and 5 days a week all day, with no internet connection except for 20 minutes or so a few days a week. During which, it was all I could do to check emails and keep up with my business ventures.

When I saw the "where's Terrie" post, I looked back and see it had been an entire month off ST...didn't realize that, and time does fly when you're....at work all day.


The *good* news is that I am done for the season, and will likely be online WAY too much for the next few months. I am doing a house sit in NY just a few miles from where I was, so won't be to JT this winter.

Sorry for causing any worry. It HAS been tough, missing Teddy. I had spent so much time just hanging out with him, and now there are big chunks of time that are left unfilled, and unfulfilled. But, I haven't thought about drinking.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 1, 2013 - 11:41am PT
Keep after it weeg. I'm sure you will find certain parts "mundane", but if you watch and listen and "feel" closely, you will also find more subtle parts getting sweeter.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Nov 1, 2013 - 11:48am PT
Thanks all!

It definitely gets better.

Congrats to you too Norwegian. Sorry mundanity grinds upon you, I guess I was too busy dealing with fallout a month into the beginning of my sobriety to notice. For me, a big discovery has been that fun and creativity are not contingent on substance abuse. I still joke like an idiot and play my guitar blue.

Good to hear things are alright, Terrie.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Nov 1, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Basicly i thought drinking was boreing. It was exciteing when i was a teenager and maybe into my early twentys but after that it was just something you did every day.
pb

Sport climber
Sonora Ca
Nov 1, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
man it is so good on this side, stay in the blessing stream
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Nov 2, 2013 - 01:29am PT
Great post Edge.

My trail has been somewhat similar - I spent two years as a dry drunk before going to a meeting. I used AA a lot for the next few years, and then took a different path. Try as I might, I couldn't find a home or meeting that didn't have tons of drama attached. Drama isn't good for me, as I tend to get wrapped up in it although I hate it. I'm still working on that these days.

Basically I have just been concentrating on becoming a better person, every day. I volunteer, I help people, I think beyond myself. I'm honest about my issues and try to improve them. I know it's going to take a long time to be a good human being, but the last few years I have been growing by leaps and bounds, and I'm happy with myself and my life now. About 13 and a half years sober, and thankful for every day. Like you I wouldn't hesitate to go to a meeting if I needed the support, but it's been about 6 years since my last one.

Jebus and Weeg, major grats to both of you. Keep it up, it's inspiring to me and many others I'm sure.
perswig

climber
Nov 2, 2013 - 07:54am PT
Shine on, you crazy diamonds.

Dale
Walleye

climber
The Hot Kiss on the end of a Wet Fist
Nov 13, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
Most important non-climbing topic on The Stupor Torpor bump.....
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