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S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Aug 28, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
How is the leg, John?
Edge

Trad climber
New Durham, NH
Aug 28, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
Ah yes, Step 11.

Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

It's the only step that I took out of order. I mean, once you acknowledge that there is a higher power, and that YOU are not it, why wait to strike up a conversation? I'm not even talking religion, but more about spirituality. As climbers, it is easy to find magic in nature, to admit that the order of the Universe trumps our poor, pitiful existence, and that we are really insignificant in the "big picture."

Meditating in nature was key for this alcoholic, and helps put things in perspective. I have done this for 3+ years now every day, without fail, in the sun, rain, or snow. In fact I actually prefer the inclement weather, and for those who question me I will often relay the quote, "Those who think sunshine brings happiness have never danced in the rain."

The concept of a "higher power" stops many from progressing, but as has been mentioned, you can use the collective consciousness of the group, or temporarily even an old timer who has what you want. Just don't limit yourself to these things as you progress, you should always strive to move forward, even when your goal of sobriety is reached.

As an aside, I once listened to some wretched, tortured soul in an AA meeting tell her story. She had 10 years at the time, but purely from willpower and attending several meetings a day for all those years; she was unable to evolve past this existence. She relayed how in rehab someone had suggested to her that the lightbulb in the ceiling could be her higher power, and insisted that this worked for her. I couldn't help but wonder what would happen should the lightbulb burn out...

And a mentor once shared this with me about willpower: "Have you ever had diarrhea? Try to use willpower against that and let me know how that works out for you."

No matter where you are in your sobriety, day one or year twenty, you must always reach for something more. There will be ups, downs, successes, and setbacks, but if you accept them as life and deal with them all rationally and without needing to pick up, you are healing.

I love this thread, it's the only "meeting" I have attended for the last year and a half. It's my conscious contact that makes the foundation for everything else to build off of.
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Aug 28, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
And a mentor once shared this with me about willpower: "Have you ever had diarrhea? Try to use willpower against that and let me know how that works out for you."

excellent example
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 28, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
I love this thread, it's the only "meeting" I have attended for the last year and a half. It's my conscious contact that makes the foundation for everything else to build off of.


Me too. It's really my only meeting. I try to speak openly with people close to me about it. I'm a lot less defensive than I used to be as an addict actively justifying his choices. Life is almost unbelievably better than when I started this journey. But maybe it's too easy or too good to be true. I don't know, I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Yesterday I think I cleaned out one of the last bottle caps left lingering in my life. They were everywhere. Jacket pockets. Backpacks. In my climbing gear. My car trunk. And, yesterday, I found one last one under the car seat. I'm sure there are more, but it felt like something to look at this one that way. Of course, there are more than just those bottle caps left lingering. It's almost bad to lose those physical reminders, but I pay homage to the memories I am able to see clearly now.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Aug 28, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
Anybody else checked out Blum and Loughan's The Healing Runes? It's the sh#t. I pull a rune every morning to start my day. Using all the tricks right now.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 28, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is I don't see AA way as the only gig. Like I said, my parents are about 30-years sober without it. I do appreciate the insight, the way of talking openly about it I see here though. But, yeah, no sponsors or anything.

I guess after all this time enslaved to it, I don't want to make it my flipping hobby if at all possible. If that's what it takes for people not to drink though, it is definitely worth it. I just haven't needed that yet.

I dunno, many paths to Rome, or something. I'll be doing my own Pepsi challenge 5, 10, 20, 30, 40 years down the line. I personally don't care how people get there if they decide that they need to head that way. To me it's a non-denominational issue, I really don't have the energy to worry about who is more sober than the other. I ultimately care most about one guy's sobriety.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 28, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
I'm like the Jeebs. This thread is my only "meeting". Don't cotton to organizations in general.

But whatever works for you, do it. The AA seems to work wonders for some, just not my thing.

Found out earlier this week that my cousin, a close childhood friend, died of a drug induced heart attack last year at age 40 (yeah, WTF? They're just telling me this now?). 20 years of meth will do that to you.

I always hoped he'd pull it together someday, he had 3 little boys...well I guess one is out of high school by now, so not so little anymore. In and out of jail, on and off the ice, dealing, stealing, the whole nine. What a waste.

bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Aug 29, 2013 - 12:02am PT
Perhaps someday in the distant future the day will arrive when I can taper off, but for now I need a steady diet of meetings and the program. Besides, in Flag AA is a social scene where I already know half the people. The party scene here has produced quite a few casualties.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 29, 2013 - 12:16am PT
That seems like a pretty good place to be, Bob...not Flag (I hate those #$%^& trains! never get good sleep in Flag), but knowing what you need and doing it. Dedication and self-knowledge, good tools indeed.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 29, 2013 - 01:14am PT
Yeah, for sure on the good of AA thing. Maybe I get to benefit from the environment it creates indirectly too. We're all headed in the same direction. Although, my wife now tells me I have a drinking problem still. I drink too many semi-expensive healthy beverages now. Ha! I guess I'll take that over the other any day of the week.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Aug 29, 2013 - 01:19am PT
if you really screw up, you will end up in the streets with no money to buy drinks unless you beg along side the freeway,

best to fix the problem before you hit that kind of bottom,

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 29, 2013 - 01:22am PT
Durp.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 29, 2013 - 01:44am PT
It ain't pretty, I'll second that.
drewsky

climber
Seattle
Aug 29, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
Reading through this thread has been extremely informative. As someone with relatively mild but still undeniably present alcohol issues, it offers a lot of good information about the spectrum of problems that can result and about how the 'relatively mild' can rapidly change. Food for thought for anyone who drinks moderately but still acknowledges having the occasional binging problem.
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Aug 29, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
not an alcoholic here, other issues.

Good to hear your friend is on the right track, Matt.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Aug 29, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
Bets of luck to your drummer friend, Matt.

My sister emailed me last week that her oldest son (24 or so) voluntarily went to rehab. I saw him in May and it was so sad to see another generation in my family being afflicted with alcoholism. Hes got it good. I sent her a note with a message to relay. Let's hope E can do it - it must kill a mother to see their child succumbing.....
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Aug 31, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
Another excellent adventure. The blessings keep Rollin in!
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Aug 31, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
As some others have said, while not an alcoholic, I get ALOT of info from this thread about fighting demons.
Thanks...

Susan
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Sep 1, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
I agree that the things that help alcoholics maintain sobriety can be translated to many an issue and help very well.

S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Sep 1, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
I'd prefer to the specifics of my add. private on the taco; but like Happie said, the AA precepts have helped with my addiction as well.

Just pointing out there are many faces of addiction.

Climb on brothers and sisters!
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