Sobriety (off topic or not)?


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Trad climber
May 6, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
The saying in AA is "Non-alcoholic beer is for non-alcoholics."

For me, I don't do it. Some do.

I know of one person who had been sober some years, felt fine, no itches to drink. He would go to the bar with friends, and order a NA beer. Did it for a long time, no problem.

But one day he reached for that beer and accidentally grabbed a similar bottle, which wasn't his - it was a real beer. He realized it after the gulp, and....took another. That was all it took for him to slip! He ended up years drinking again after that.

Alcofol - Cunning, baffling, powerful MOTHER F'KER!

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
May 6, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
Elcapiyass, thanks for the encouragement!

Alcohol is not my drug of choice, but I get your sentiment.

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 6, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
NA beer actually has some alchohol in it. At least BINTD when i used to drink Odules @ Pistol matches i read the lable and it had a small % of alchohol. Not ideal for purgeing the system and staying clean.

Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
May 6, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
I don't drink NA beer cause it will make me fat. Plus I don't need it.


Trad climber
Granite Mountain Wilderness
May 10, 2013 - 10:31am PT
Took my 6 month chip this morning.
Thanks for your experience, strength,and hope.
Keep climbing and don't pick up, no matter what.
Bump for an awesome thread!
-Chris S
Woody the Beaver

Trad climber
Soldier, Idaho
May 28, 2013 - 08:01am PT
Way to go, Hank! Thanks for starting the thread when you did. It's been a good companion.

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 28, 2013 - 08:39am PT
Good job Hank!
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
May 28, 2013 - 10:01am PT
Good work, Hank, and yes, thanks for starting this thread.
Can't wait to climb with you this summer.

May 28, 2013 - 10:23am PT
Congrats Hank!

Life is not always good but it sure as hell is better right.

Enjoy the good times and be patient with the bad ones...

Trad climber
May 28, 2013 - 10:51am PT
Congratulations, Hank!

Time flies when you're having fun and can remember having it!

Trad climber
New Durham, NH
May 28, 2013 - 11:05am PT
Keep up the good work, Hank! If the Creator is willing, I will hit the three year mark in just over a month, probably somewhere in the desert southwest. I can't even remember the last time I craved a drink, or the inevitable blackout that it always led to.

Trad climber
May 28, 2013 - 11:22am PT
Congratulations to you, Hank!
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
May 28, 2013 - 11:46am PT
Congrats and thanks, Hank. It takes courage and your example has been a good one.

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 28, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
Nice work and thanks for the thread!

Big Wall climber
May 28, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
nice job hank!

my favorite was how the "mouthwash" was an all time low!

The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
May 30, 2013 - 01:23am PT
Good job Hank and thanks for this thread.

May 30, 2013 - 01:58am PT
Lucky to have mine for another day.

Social climber
May 30, 2013 - 02:22am PT
From someone who watched my dad drink sea breeze face cleaner (among other things), dragged him away from a burning bed/nightstand (drunken pass out), went with my mom to pick him up from jail after a DUI car crash, various po po appearances at our house, and many other wishfully forgettable moments, please keep it up!

I'm not saying every person who has a problem with alcohol is a freaking absolute danger and menace to everyone around them--my dad, despite the foregoing, was actually non-violent and a pretty good guy--but am just giving a shout out to everyone trying to improve themselves.

Stay strong!


Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
May 31, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
wrapping up a critical work push,
i got 6k in the mail.

now it is friday, heading into a holiday weekend.
i turned in my work a day early,
so i begin my celebration bender at 5:40 am.

i gently ease into it,
out in my woodshed with a fire going,
the relics album from pink floyd on the turntable,
and me sharpening my saws,
dulling my senses.

my children wake up at 6:30 to playful
tickles from daddy,
and we build our morning nicely.
i make them breakfast, pack their lunches,
kiss the wife
(she looks at me with that side-winder stink-eye!)

and i see everyone off to their work / school.

it's 7:30 am, i've a home and a forest to myself,
and a 30 pack of bud.

it is lightly raining so i spark some huge
burn piles, putting a bruise in my fire danger.

i set my can down to stoke a blaze,
and the ants move onto and into my beer.
tons of them.

so i run up and grab the brand new camera and
photo document me drinking a piss-ant covered
piss beer. the two actually accentuated each other.

so this was mistake #1.
i left the camera hanging on a tree,
too near the rowdy phase change.
f*#ked it up beyond function.

then i write up a couple of stoopid threads
on your turf,
then peel out of the abode and head into town.

just prior i make a couple of drunk-purchases
on the internet:
70 meter haul line, at 260,
and a slew of logging gear at 300.

mistake # 2.

i get to town and head into the alley behind main street
so my dog can swim in the creek,
and i can drink beer in the privacy of my own sun.

after a few i walk back out of the alley,
still drinking a beer,
and literally run into an african american
with huge dreads and a kind demeanor.

sadly, he stuck out in our ignorant little hick town.
so i strike up conversation with him,
and he asks me if i care to grab a beer.

i got errands, i tell him, but i lead him to our sole-bar.
before i leave him, i gently warn him that he might receive
some hard looks from the locals, but to just ignore them.

he told me that he's cool, coming from new york on his sales tour.

so i leave him and go buy my wife a dozen blood red roses,
at 100 buck with the tip i gave the cutie behind the counter.

i stole some cash and put it on her card:

"the taste of love is sweet,
when hearts like ours meet."

then i have these and the card delivered to my hard-working wife
(mind you im in no trouble with the wife at this point, because she doesn't yet know of the busted camera, and the 600 dollars worth of climbing gear i purchased)

mistake # 3. more careless spending.

leaving the florist, im floored.
i'll go check on "t" (that was the name the african fella told me.)
i muse.

so i go into the bar, and sure enough "t" is sitting among quiet and uncomfortable stares from the denizens.

so i bar-stool next to him,
and get a beer.
we chat and he ends up selling me 240 dollars worth of
concentrated citrus cleaner (enough to make 340 gallons
of usuable agent!)

i give him my credit card, he makes a call,
and we run out into the alley to meet his connection.
sure enough, it's legit and im carring like 40 pounds
of scented product.

mistake #4.

so i meet the family in strawberry,
the wife is elated with my gesture on the flowers.
slowly my story unfolds, and she is irate, understandably.

she's had it.
after a heated verbal exchange and
some tears down her cheek,
i realize (again) that i cant drink, anymore.

so we put away the bad habit, and move
timidly forward, quaking in our wedding rings.

that was a week ago.
now that im sober again,
im tearing down the to-do list with reckless devotion.

the pressure of my own creation is building in my heart,
im not sleeping again;
all the clients are praising me,
the pay is sweet,

and i find myself needing a downer of sorts.
to unrev, you know.
i hate accomplishing so much, so frequently.
it is exhausting.
i got to go have a beer, and f*#king chill.

so im honest with you and me,
i can't drink,
and i can't not drink.

your first-world fool.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 31, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
Amen weeg. Yer a stubborn fuk. Welcome to the club.
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